Access Denied – True or Fake?

December 18th, 2012

Access Denied - Gatecrash

Thanks mapaxe!


  • Volt88

    Looks fake to me D:

  • SimonSaidSomething

    I kind of hope that’s fake. Pay UB for a counter spell that can’t be countered unless controller loses ten life? Seems a little over the top to be real.

  • We were already told by R&D (MaRo, I believe) that there WOULD NOT be an uncounterable cycle in GTC.

    • Ben Meszaros

      Came here to say this. Agreed. This is fake. 

      • Meeemo101

        also they wouldn’t say ‘”loses,” they would say “pays”

        •  The
          closer I look at this card, the closer I think it could be real. It
          don’t have to say “pay 10 life”, because the effect would be different
          from “loses 10 life”. The way it’s written here means “If the controller
          of the spell has 10+ life, he loses 10 life. If he has under 10 life,
          the spell is countered”, so the controller of the spell won’t have any
          decision to make.

          But because it’s only 2CC and this spell itself can’t be countered, I vote fake though.

          • 89hebert

             Its context. Every Magic Card is SUPER specific in its wording. They are LITERAL wordings… So, with that in mind, the wording doesn’t make sense. This card *if it were real* would give the countered person the chance to PAY life, thats why it says *UNLESS*  UNLESS THE CONTROLLER *PAYS* 10 LIFE. because its a choice. If they watned it to be (If the controller of the spell has 10+ life, he loses 10 life. If he has under 10 life, the spell is countered) then tha’ts what it would have said.

  • Gauche

    Looks really fake. If u think that sorin’s 10 life thing cost 7 mana.

    • yodasodabob

      remember that sorin’s vengeance
      a. is a sorcery
      b. does not require a spell to be on the stack
      c. makes you gain life IN ADDITION TO your opponent losing life.  
      all those factors make it the 4BBB that it is.   
      this card on the other hand
      a. is an instant
      b. requires a spell to be on the stack
      c.  does not make you gain life.
      while it is a bit overpowered, it very well could be real.  we just have to wait and see.

  • jamesgledhill

    It’s fake, R&D has stated that the uncounterable cycle would not be carrying over to Gatecrash, and its just looks fake.

  • Rmuilman

    Please don’t let this be real

  • Kaycha

    Obviously fake

  • Poolofthedead

    It’s fake because it’s worded wrong, if it said pays 10 not looses 10 it would be believable

  • Mtbrain1

    Worded wrong. Should be “pays 10 life “

  • Agentpaper

    Fake. The wording is wrong, should be “Counter target spell unless it’s controller pays 10 life.” Essence Vortex (oracle text) and Vectis Dominator provide examples of this wording done right.

    • 1) Its is correct
      2) It could go either way. 

      HOWEVER, i believe its fake by virtue of being a decent counterspell AND being one of the more powerful counterspells printed if it is real. 10 life or a 2 mana counterspell, the choices are so extreme for the mana cost. It would be hard to believe. 

      • J_jordan1182

        why do people have a hard time reading this…   this is a spell that counters a spell and cannot be countered itself, unless the spells target pays 10 life.  

        so you play a lightning bolt, i play this.  you can choose to counter my Access Denied by paying 10 life.   It’s that easy.

    • J_jordan1182

      not necessarily.  as I said above, there are cards in standard that won’t allow you or your opponent to pay life.  If I had that card in play, then played this, this becomes a 2cc uncounterable counterspell.  by saying lose 10 life, you still get the option to counter it.

  • chinface

    the rarity symbol is colored wrong, has the wrong gradient and is slightly off anyway; the watermark is super old style (the new ones don’t have the shadow), the text color is a bit too dark (i’ve done a lot of research when it comes to making cards look real) and the wording is wrong. the more you know!

  • Tomu

    That art just doesn’t feel right.

  • Xero

    Should be: “Counter target spell unless its controller PAYS 10 life.”

    • Direstudent

      agreed, this looks fake-ful

      • J_jordan1182

        not necessarily.  as I said above, there are cards in standard that won’t allow you or your opponent to pay life.  If I had that card in play, then played this, this becomes a 2cc uncounterable counterspell.  by saying lose 10 life, you still get the option to counter it.

        • Hand of the Praetors

          it is can’t pay life to cast spells or activate abilities, NOT paying life in general, and that goes for everyone not just opponents, sorry to burst your bubble, but with that one angel out, killing wake does NOT become 1B sac all creatures your opponents control

          • this IS fake but i could see something similar as a rakdos counter so that it only works if they have taken 10 damage

  • I_ninja_ninjas

    YEah R&D said no uncounterable  cycle in GTC. That said they have been known to lie

  • Guest

    one word: buttsecks

  • fake no flavor and the art is incongruent

    • Ahogan4367

      Not all cards have a flavor text…

      • Lazav, Dimir Mastermind

         He means the card has no relevant flavor for the Dimir Guild.

  • Fake, they said they wouldn’t be continuing the series of uncounterable spells in gatecrash.

  • Maxevans2000

    seems legit

  • Michael Bryan

    This better be fake it is WAY OP!!!

  • guest

    Wizards already said the uncounterable cycle would not show up in gatecrash. Plus, this is way to powerful, and if anything it would be “unless its controller pays 10 life”. Do you really think wizards would print a basically uncounterable counterspell for 2 mana and say, oh it’s two collers, totally balanced. Fake.

    • J_jordan1182

      your argument makes no sense….  this is perfectly in line with dimir flavor, gives standard a hard counter, and one that their opponent can chose to stop if they wish to pay it’s steep cost.  And wizards already printed a 3cc uncounterable counterspell.  and it has overload to boot.  the difference is your opponent can’t counter that one, and they can this one.

  • rynot916

    totally fake, should say pays 10 life not loses

    • J_jordan1182

      incorrect.  there are effects that dont allow your opponent or you to pay life.   by saying lose life, this gets around those effects.

  • Why would they make uncounterable spells for 5 guilds and not to the 5 other guilds. Doesn’t make sense even if MaRo said it.

    •  Because a legit argument can be made that for the colors in RTR, they have access to “uncounterability” via the color pie. The colors in GTC do not have that luxury.

      In that context, it makes perfect sense.

      • mtg-connaisseur

        If there is ANY guild which has uncounterability it’s Gruul. RG is the enemy colors of blue and have a ton of cards which hate on counters. Vexing Shusher comes to mind.

        • sphinxy

           it also seems like simic and dimir would you know have uncounterable things. mainly dimir.

      • Also, considering that every guild between the two releases shares the same colors that makes even less sense.

        • I don’t think you understood his comment at all. RTR is UW, WG, GB, BR, RU.

          Go look at the back of a Magic Card, and see if you can figure out what he meant by that.

  • Bsl3232

    i think its not fake cuz the new standard meta need a good counter spell sure its siad unless its controller LOSES 10 life but when rest angel was spiol its was blink target PERMENET you control and then they changed it to blink target NON ANGEL CREATURE so maybe it will be unless he pay 10 life bu aloso leses 10 is posible cuz it then will be the drew back of this awsome card (by that i mean that if u att to 10 then he want to u a removle u cant cast this card)

    • Ethan Caynes

      One word… GRAMMAR

  • Geralfs Diener

    fake, the effect makes no sense, i think nearly each player would let the spell be countered (unless he plays life gain) and in the text is a misstake, it must be PAYS 10 life

    • J_jordan1182

      actually you’d be surprised.  if you were over 10 life and your next play would win you the game, woudn’t you pay 10 life?  or if youre opponent is below 10 life, they can’t pay.  This would then become a 2 cc hard counter.  I can very well see this card being real since standard doesn’t have a 2 cc hard counter yet.

  • The quality of the card… It does look a bit… Bad. Alright, alright, pretty bad.

    I mean, I looks like it was made in photoshop, poorly and in a hurry.

  • J_jordan1182

    actually you’d be surprised.  if you were over 10 life and your next play would win you the game, woudn’t you pay 10 life?  or if youre opponent is below 10 life, they can’t pay.  This would then become a 2 cc hard counter.  I can very well see this card being real since standard doesn’t have a 2 cc hard counter yet.

    • Ethan Caynes

      Then wizards is being run by retarded monkeys

  • J_jordan1182

    Reading comprehension people.   Read it like this:

    Access Denied can’t be countered by spells or abilities.   You get to counter target spell unless that spells controller pays 10 life, in which case this spell fizzles and is removed from the stack.

  • Waven

    There is no can’t be countered cycle in Gatecrash, should be Pays 10 life…also 10 life is way too much for a 2 mana spell, 

  • Superplatapus

    The fact that it’s only 141/249 is suspicious.  multicolored cards come after normal cards so…

  • Lo Pan

    The art doesn’t fit this block at all.  I don’t buy it.

  • Yaksha

    A Counterspell that can’t be countered? Only that makes me think : FAKISSIMO!

    • jin-sei no tenshi

      syncopate would work! (:
      is not countering its basically asking if you want you may pay more mana its like instead of counter you would sacrafice your spell and then exile it

      • Shadow921

        syncopate says counter target spell unless its controller pays x

    • Atma_Weapon

      Your forgetting counterflux

  • Everyone is talking about how this is good/bad for standard, but going beyond it, and putting it into Legacy, this card would simply be ridiculous in BUG Delver. WoTC, after Jitte and affinity fiascos ptest cards in the FFL, to see if its printing would unbalance all formats it would be legal in.  Being blue, it pitches to Force if you need it and being two cmc, its in the sweet spot for Counter/top. The Dimir flavor would be counter target spell or mill 20 or something similar to that, Orzhov or Boros would be more likely to feature a new punisher mechanic.  

  • The copyright date is wrong. If this card was put together in 2012, and it has a secured copyright, it would be listed as 2012, regardless of when the set actually comes out,

    • Sgt _Johnson

      Guess the other 5 spoilers are fake then since they have a copyright date of 2013 as well?

    • Mtgaddict2

      GTC is being released in January, so the copy right date is correct, so the card is probably real, personally I don’t think it can be that’s too insane for a counter spell. then again Dimir lobotomist was insane

  • Fam Granger

    it’s not a fake but just a good counterspell
     

    • Ethan Caynes

      Oh it’s fake and it’s more tan good it’s powerful as anything

  • jin-sei no tenshi

    seems like it would be worded
    “Access denied can’t be countered  by spells or abilities

    Counter target spell unless its controller pays 10 life”

  • Kalitas

    Fake for many obvious reasons

  • Guest

    2 things wrong about this:
    1. As per R&D, no uncounterable cycle in GTC
    2. As per R&D, they stated that “hard counter spells” will require at least 2 UU casting ever since they printed Arcane Denial

  • Sgt _johnson

    Alright put in 2 minutes of research to test some of the validity of the card and immediately found a dead giveaway with the artist.

    D Palumbo is David Palumbo, who has done art for several cards from multiple sets going back to alara in believe and has done artwork for recent cards to, such as dead reveler in RTR.

    however every card he has done artwork the, his fill name is listed, not just the D. So whoever created the card went off of the initials on the artwork and did not look up any other cards from Mr Palumbo.

    • Sgt _Johnson

      Sorry for some typos I’m on my mobile xD

    • Tedhu1million

      My god man that was amazing.

  • Gadjilitron

    I agree with most that this is most likely fake (although I would love it to be real as a Dimir player), however I don’t think the ‘No uncounterable cycle’ argument holds up. They said there would be no cycle, yes, but they said nothing about no uncounterable spells at all. There are plenty of other signs pointing to this being a fake though.

  • Man Amongst moe

    Fake, they don’t say ‘spells or abilities’ anymore, just ‘can’t be countered’

    • Guest

      Actually, counterflux, slaughter games, and abrupt decay all say “spells or abilities”

    • Urknizog

      I’m not saying this card is real, but your facts happen to be wrong (See: Slaughter Games).

  • Guest

    If you look at the watermark, its the old build symbol
    FAKE

    • Guest

      Guild

  • Spoilerwatcher

    overpowered, but i want it! this would probably be 10-20 dollars….well, better save up for packs. if this is real, im gonna do a lot of pack cracking………….

  • Blackvise

    Okay guys, seriously how can any of you honestly believe that it’s not real.  First of all, it costs two mana…. and it can’t be countered.  The only other counter like this is last word, also a rare, and that costs FOUR mana.  10 LIFE.  10 LIFE.  WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PAY 10 LIFE TO PLAY A SPELL?  Only if it’s a win condition, and this would only be used in standard, where it’s basically won by rush decks and not blue win condition decks.  Plus, you know it’s fake, because for it to be real, it would have to be worded “unless its controller pays 10 life”.  Whoever made this needs to study how wizards of the coast words things.  GG NOOBS!

    • Freecake

      I think you meant believe it’s real, dumb dumb

  • Gmax

    fake

  • Rwkropp

    Way fake, they would word it “pays 10 life” rather then as it is. Plus that would be way to OP.

  • Fernan

    fake or it’s not well written

  • Ethan Caynes

    They would never make a card like this

  • A. Kos

    There’s a detail… the symbol in the background in Ravnica block is as big as that in the picture, but in RTR it’s smaller and don’t get so close of the botton… O.o’

  • A. Kos

    U see?

  • Michael

    Seems too over powered (OP)

  • Gauche

    You guys are not paying attention. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY I BELIEVE IT IS FAKE. but for peopl etalking about the wording, what the card says is that Access Denied is uncounterable by spells or abilities but can be countered if the oponent decides to pay 10 life.

  • Shinoby8

    10 points? not even if it were mystic rare. clearly fake

  • Ethan Caynes

    I’m pretty sure gatecrash won’t have 249 cards in the set, it would be 250 if it were that bug

    • Gatecrash has 249 cards. we’ve known that for a while.

  • CORR

    You can easily see all the artifacting that screams Photoshop. Its one of the better looking fakes, but still obviously one. Plus the wording is off (It would be unless its controller pays 10 life) and they don’t use dropshadows on guild symbols.

  • Sniperops

    Not to mention this would have to be the most overpowered counter ever created. So I am going to go ahead and say FAKE

  • Ethan Caynes

    If it were real it would say “pays 10 life” instead of “loses 10 life”

  • The wind

    Old Sorin wishes it was real

  • Azureflamekite

    This card unlike simic charm looks very fake. The artist hasn’t been used before. The effect while not a true uncounterable counterspell the effect is way to ridiculous. If it were 5 life that would seem more reasonable for being uncouterable.

  • GUESTS

    Shouldn’t it say “pay” and not “loses”?

  • Some Guy

    The Dimir symbol is the wrong color, The gold around the image and description are not the right shade, the Gatecrash symbol is not right (compared with Treasury Thrull & Fathom Mage’s). Not to mention it would be PAYS, not loses. Fake, fake, and fake.

  • Vyctor

    Sure it is fake, they didnt reprint manaleak at M13 because they didnt want a good counterspell with snapcaster, imagine that card!

  • Miles D.

    Wow, this must be one hell of a good card for 1blue and 1black. I say it’s probably FAKE. I think if this card was real and played with in tournaments, it’d probably get banned because it would be used too effectively. 

    Then again, if there were some kind of a loophole in the card rule/text, “Counter target spell unless it’s controller loses 10 life”. Uh… Uhh… unless you can dish out 10 damage in one sitting, then this card is useless. I don’t know, I’m just taking a wild guess at this.

  • Moroivampire

     that cannot be real, putting this thing on an isochron scepter in edh makes you basically immune to spells and gives you full board control in 1 on1. fantastic card, like the art as well. lets see if it is real

  • Shsocardthread

    The immediate dead give away for me that this is fake is that the art style is antiquated. It looks like a card from the 90’s or 80’s, and would not meet MtG’s current art style standards.

  • Guest

    Just fake. That card would be overpowered anyway. Lose 10 life? Really?

  • Vanc

    Lolll.
    Very fake. Poorly done.
    Would be a fun card though. 

  • Obzedat, ghost Council

    I do not think that they would not add flavor text when there is plenty of room.

  • Benjamin McDonald

    False – the number on the card is 141, and Alms Beast has already been confirmed as 141.

  • Benjamin McDonald

    Aside from the obvious that Wizards would not make a hard counter for 2 again, and that the text would read “pays” instead of “loses”.

  • Eww
     

  • Guest

    Also, that wording doesn’t work in the rules.

  • B4dg3r

    Aurelia’s Fury (boros) is #144/249, should have made it at least slot in with the other Dimir cards -.-

  • The closer I look at this card, the closer I think it could be real. It don’t have to say “pay 10 life”, because the effect would be different from “loses 10 life”. The way it’s written here means “If the controller of the spell has 10+ life, he loses 10 life. If he has under 10 life, the spell is countered”, so the controller of the spell won’t have any decision to make.

    But because it’s only 2CC and this spell itself can’t be countered, I vote fake though.

  • Is #141 known yet, by the way?

  • Okay, Alms Beast is #141. This card IS fake. No doubt left.

  • Rayenous

    At this point there are 3 Rares not yet spoiled.  1 will be Red, the other 2 will be Hybrids.  This card is… FAKE!!

  • CORR

    Okay, this has already been confirmed as fake; why the hell is it still here?