Commander 2017 Decklists

August 11th, 2017

FELINE FEROCITY

Commander (1)
Creature (17)
Sorcery (7)
Instant (5)
Artifact (15)
Enchantment (3)
Lands (36)
Other Spells (16)

VAMPIRIC BLOODLUST

Commander (1)
Creature (19)
Sorcery (8)
Instant (6)
Artifact (9)
Enchantment (5)
Lands (36)
Other Spells (16)

DRACONIC DOMINATION

Commander (1)
Creature (25)
Sorcery (7)
Artifact (9)
Enchantment (6)
Lands (36)
Other Spells (16)

ARCANE WIZARDRY

Commander (1)
Creature (22)
Sorcery (4)
Instant (13)
Artifact (7)
Lands (37)
Other Spells (16)


  • Daniel Scott

    Not exactly a stunning set of reprints, but enough I don’t already have that I am happy (and no reprints of a few value cards I happen to own which I guess for me is sort of good)

  • Aurore

    Darn, with Venser’s recent prices and being an ETB Wizard I was expecting a reprint, guess not. Wizard deck has both really clear reprints and some that are confusing.

  • Jude

    Dragon deck is more like “heres a list of a ton of commanders that are dragons. Buy me to make like 10 decks”

    • jaya

      I wonder how your gonna cast Ur-Dragon in this deck if you dont draw fist of suns…Are you rly gonna play land pass till turn 7-9? XD
      The dragon deck is so funny, in a bad way. Rly, full brawl and no brains.

      • Aurore

        What were you expecting, wizards reprinting all the fetch lands and shock lands in the deck?

        • jaya

          The problem isnt lacking 1 color when you hit 9 mana here, the problem is reaching 9 mana with close to 0 spells. Not to mention after a removal you need 11 mana…Urza,s incubator didnt even see reprint, and you relying on servant and shaman that are easily removable alongside your general.

          • Aurore

            That’s what the ramps are for. Cultivate, Farseek, Kodama’s Reach, Wayfarer’s Bauble, all the stuff to get you up in mana fast. Of course, it’s definitely not enough, but this is clearly supposed to be a slow deck.

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        Why do I need to cast it?

  • Delipha

    The Kitty deck has a lot of reprints I was thinking of ordering. Unfortunetly,Brimaz wasn’t one and just happens to be the most expensive of the bunch,Hunting cheetah aside *sigh*. I was hoping to get reprints of Darigaaz,Dromar and maybe Rith rather than the newer tri-color dragons but oh,well. Not sure if Exquisite blood shouldn’t have been included in the vamps,as it’s price is quite outrageos atm. That would’ve made the decks more expensive I suppose but would be on par with the Mirari’s wake reprint. The land base is by far the most dissappointing thing in the set,but I guess it had to have a prominent weakness.

  • jaya

    Filthy casuals.
    Add some armageddon, some mana crypt and mana vault. Take half of these card, and enjoy the madness.

    Anyways, Wizards look alrdy pretty decent even on this casual deck, dragons tho…DRAGONS THO…Cats didnt get it much better either.

    • Aurore

      Yeah, put a bunch of expensive busted cards into this sealed product and watch be completely impossible to find five minutes after hitting the shelves.

      • Han Solo II

        Do you think Wizards like when they don’t sell?

        • Shagoth

          It’s unfortunate that none of the other commander decks sold very well without Armageddon and Mana Vault. Just ask Atraxa.

        • Mr.Mayhem631

          It’s not good for your reputation if your products are impossible to find.

  • jaya

    Shifting Shadow is in the wizard deck, not the dragons, makes sense I guess.

  • Edward

    I was not expecting Havengul Lich out of Wizards but it makes me really happy that it is in there. I do think they should have included the Signets in the Wizards deck though. Also the lack of Riptide Laboratory makes me sad because now it is going to spike in price

  • JD Farrell

    Dragons should have gotten Chromatic Lantern, no reason that’s not there. They’ve wanted to do a 5 colour deck for ages and now we have one the mana base is vivids and trilands only. Last year they made really solid mana bases

    • Aurore

      Last year was 5 4-color decks, that’s the issue. I think they realized late in production that if they were going to make an actually good mana base for a 5-color deck, it would warp the price range. They could make it very good, but in doing so it would drive the value of the dragon deck far above the other three due to the quality of lands in it compared to the other decks, who wouldn’t have as many value cards due to less color distribution By trying to keep the mana bases between them relatively equal in price to prevent one deck from being bought out too quickly over the others, they made the mana base really weak in the five color deck so it could be more appropriately costed in the three and two colored decks. At least that’s what I think, anyway.

  • Giby86 .

    I’m extremely disappointed in the mana base of these decks. Beautiful new cards, cool reprints…and the bare minimum, if even that, in the land department? That’s really, really disappointing. At least give us painlands, temples, something like that, I’m not asking for shock or fetches!

    • Aurore

      This is par for the course of commander decks. Last year was the exception, not the rule.

      • Giby86 .

        You’re probably rigtht, although in 2015 we had way better utility lands, at least. In 2014 as well, AND we got extremely good reprints. And since last year they pushed the envelope as far as mana bases go, this year, since they’re featuring a 5-colors deck, I would expect they AT THE VERY LEAST match what they did last year for the 4-colors decks.

        • Aurore

          As I stated below, they could do that last year for 4-color decks, since all the decks were four color and therefore needed similar (though not identical) levels of mana fixing and critical mass of colored mana producers. But this year, the only deck in desperate need of a mana base above the normal curve for commander precons is the 5-color deck. Since the most expensive/sought after cards in commander (and really any format) are usually lands and/or mana producers (not counting flat out broken spells, but that’s a diffferent issue), if they give really good landbase (such as signet lands or check lands) to one of the decks but don’t do the same to the others, then they’ll warp the value of the deck too much. Wizards doesn’t want to spend too many price points on just a mana base. Meanwhile if they gave all the decks good mana bases like the kind they did last year, they’d run into the opposite problem when the decks with less colors have incredibly more consistent and powerful mana bases. This is what happens when you make thematic decks that aren’t concerned or aware of color balance; the deck that needs more consistent mana either gets the short end of the stick on the mana base, gets what it needs at the expense of availability due to the mana base being worth far more than that in any of the other products, or still ultimately gets shafted since in trying to balance the mana bases in price the decks with less colors benefit from having miles better lands and mana fixing due to needing less colors for consistency. Basically wizards chose the most easily balanced option, the first. This might clue them in that making commander precons without focusing on color cycles is a risky play that deserves greater foresight in future endeavors.

          • Happy The Cat

            I mean I don’t mind them picking bad lands for the decks, it makes sense, it lets them put more value into actual cards. but it’s always these 1up lands or the bounce lands, where are garbage. we could have had either version of the cycle lands, storage lands, several cycles of utility lands, and the list goes on and on, but instead they give us the same lands we’ve been getting for years now. how many people do you know who have used the Tempest slow duals or tapped pain duals? that set is 20 years old now and just one pack today is like $30, so new players probably haven’t drafted them looking for a $0.25 land so it would still seem new to them. so it would be cool if instead of every deck getting 1ups, karoos, tries, vivids, and guildgates if they actually dug up some of their old lands that have never gotten a modern boarder and threw in some of those.

          • Daniel Scott

            I’m honestly not bothered by the lower end mana base, but I am right with Happy on the needing to print a wider variety of old lands. For example I’ve never had an elfhame palace so even though it sucks I’m quite pleased to get it.

          • Giby86 .

            Painlands are barely 2 bucks. Temples are a dollar each, sometimes less. But they’re infinitely better than what we get. That’s what I’m trying to say. I’m not asking for a pricey manabase, I’m not asking for fetchlands.

          • Giby86 .

            And also: you know what lowers the price tag of cards? REPRINTING them.

          • CMK

            Most sensible opinion I’ve seen yet regarding Wizards’ choices regarding the land bases of these decks; far too many opinions stemming from overly competitive players. I realize that is an opinion too, but I like my opinions better than theirs; funny how bias works.

          • Dave

            Also – but that’s really a minor point to all of this value reason – I think they want to give customers clear directions how to upgrade the decks and mana base is the easiest way for that. Everybody that gets the Cat deck and has a Windswept Heath or even a Canopy Vista lying around is really happy to swap it in for a worse land.

  • Aarhg

    Cat and vampire decks look the most appealing to me. I’d definitely change the deck up if I bought one of them though.
    Other than that, I see a couple of cards I could put in my Wort, the Raidmother deck. Pretty happy about that.

    • JD Farrell

      Yeah, I was thinking Wort too.

      I’m liking how different decks appeal to different players. I like the cats and dragons, my friend likes vampires and wizards.

      I’m not so hot on Arahbo though, I know it’s powerful, but I’m more interested in a go-wide equipment set up. Play Nazahn, add in Blade of Selves, tutor that in when you play it, then when you swing you can get more equipment tutor swings. Play a bunch of cats for value :D

  • Shagoth

    I was exited for Alliteration Alligators, that was the one tribe I was looking forward to. At the very least, you could have given me Commonstart Crocs.
    Disappointed, -12/8889.

  • Ej Lucia

    Shocked that at least the Vampire deck didn’t get Patriarch’s Bidding reprint, updated with Edgar Markov art and flavor text.

    • kekek

      This would have been the perfect set for Patriarchs reprint.

    • Tony Delfino

      Patriarch’s Bidding doesn’t make sense for the vampires since Edgar’s eminence ability is on cast not enter the battlefield, but that would have been a great choice for the wizard deck.

      Also I think Inalla should have gotten some sac outlets like Ghoulcaller Gisa (who is a wizard, coincidentally) to give you something to do with those tokens before they exile.

  • Happy The Cat

    …why does the two color deck have the best looking mana base? every other deck is 1ups, karoos, vivids and guildgates while they have a storage,a few cyclelands, a manland and both old school color fetches.

    • Han Solo II

      I was wondering the same… why does the 5c deck not have a lot of mana rocks?

    • Jazzyboy1

      Because mana-fixing for a 2-colour deck is much easier and cheaper than for a 3-colour or 5-colour deck. Those cyclelands used in the 2-colour deck aren’t exactly expensive, and the old school fetches are really cheap. Plus considering they enter tapped, they’re not necessarily better than the guildgates used in the other decks unless you’ve got landfall triggers.

      They couldn’t have put in expensive mana fixers like Chromatic Lantern because these are supposed to be budget decks, and that would warp their value too much. For players that want to make the decks more competitive, they can just improve the mana-fixing for themselves.

      • David Thacker III

        yidris deck had a chromatic lantern in it i dont see why the couldnt puti t in the dragons deck to be honest

      • Happy The Cat

        but that’s kinda my point, I don’t really want or need a Chromatic reprint, what I do want is some of the old lands that maybe new players have never seen before. like instead of Karoos, 1ups, and vivids in every deck we get a Tempest tapped pain land or slow dual, some of Ravnica’s utility lands or some storage lands. I mean we have a Wizard deck, and I can kinda understand not giving us
        the $6 Riptide Laboratory but no utility lands for a deck that loves spells and has pretty high value on colorless mana?

  • Shagoth

    I think the Dragons deck should have had a Mana Confluence, Birds of Paradise, and City of Brass reprint at the very least.

    • Aurore

      Yeah, because why not drive up the value super high and make the deck impossible to get?

      • Shagoth

        Are people’s knee-jerk reactions to these decks “Lol, something useful that doesn’t make the mana base an onslaught of atrocious tap lands? Bank breaker”
        They add up to about 13 bucks, and then if they were included into the deck, I think they would add up to 8 bucks. It really wouldn’t have inflated the prices that much.

        • ShadowDragonVI

          The Dragon deck has the most value on TCG mid (Not including the new cards) and by adding even a few mana fixers in the land base not only does it make this deck one of the MOST valuble commander decks pre fluctuation (again not including the new cards and minus orignal 2011 decks) but also the most obsolète commander deck to get probibly ever, as where the cheepest you would be able to get it would be near 150

          • Shagoth

            It still wouldn’t be a massive enough difference.
            Atraxa’s deck difference was way more dramatic compared to the other cards. This would still be kind of slight.
            Also, even with Atraxa, you never buy the deck near their sales price.

  • Julian

    The dragon deck got the shaft with its mana. And didnt grt a copy of traverse the outlands??? Most of your dragons are gonna net at least 4 or 5 lands. At leadt and explosive vegetation too. Three ramp spells, a savage ventmaw and a commander sphere are not enough

    • Edward

      I count 8 ways to ramp mana not including Savage Ventmaw. There is also Armillary Sphere and Fist Of The Suns as well to help cast things. I think that is adequate for a pre-constructed deck. They are meant to be upgraded. Last year had good mana bases because there was 5 4-color decks so they wouldn’t have to worry about giving one deck more ramp/color-fixing than another. Expecting Dragons to get more mana ramp because it is 5-color would just put it ahead of the other decks. I mean The Ur-Dragon already makes dragons cheaper by itself so you can’t expect a massive amount of good cheap mana ramp.

      • Jude

        Its not so much the amount of mana as the fixing thats being counted. Thats whats gonna matter in a pentachrome every time. But its a simple fix, thr sealed product just doesnt wuite get there.

    • Juuso Tiirakari

      I counted 12 cards that actually ramp you in the dragons deck.

  • JD Farrell

    Dragons may have a bad mana base, but so did Kaalia’s deck. Ok, so they should have learned from them, but the point is that deck still had insane value… Honestly in Commander I’d rather work with good spells and slower mana than great mana for bad spells. It’s not a competitive format, 9 times out of 10 I’d have enough time to get there.

    The cat deck’s mana seems weird. It has a billion ways to fetch basics, and only 13 basics. I can easily see myself in a situation here I have like four dead cards in hand because I’ve run out of lands to get.

    • Michael Hatcher

      Cats may have a billion ways to fetch but only 5 possible dead cards. 3 lands that are fetch only and can’t produce colorless mana, and 2 fetch spells

      • JD Farrell

        3 spells, Traverse the Outlands is in the new cards section, and that spell ideally wants to grab a bunch of lands. I dunno, I guess I’m unfairly comparing it to my Karametra deck, where this number of basics wouldn’t be nearly enough… but still, running Krosan Verge, Myriad Landscape, Blighted Woodland, I want to be saccing them… just seems off.

        Really think they could have been reprinting Tango lands in some of these decks, could have helped a lot. Theros Temples would be nice in several slots too.

  • Jude

    ….. o []o i just noticed theres a wake in the cat deck…called it!

  • Soren Szilver

    so what is the community consensus on relative deck power level. none of these seem as busted as breed lethality or anything. imo, vampire looks most promising, but i only recently started playing the format, so what do more experienced/knowledgeable players say?

    • Jude

      Played for 5 years, and i have to say that vampires seems the most consistently good sealed. Cats could be a contender though cause the aggressive nature and the ramp allows it to move quite fast as it should. Wizards and dragons dont seem bad in any way, really, but speaking power level of the sealed products the wizard deck has a little too lacking in the power of its spells and creatures by themselves. And dragons is too slow to get off the ground fast enough to get its defenses up.

    • Edward

      Vampires and Cats look the best just in raw power and playability. They have good reprints and a simple strategy that makes them pretty effective. Dragons can do some cool things but are pretty slow as you would expect right out of the box. Wizards has a lot of good cards but doesn’t quite feel like it meets up to the other decks raw power. I really think they should have added Anethomancer, Panharmonicon, and Conjurer’s Closet to help push the ETB effects a little more. I also think the Wizards deck focuses a little too much on instants and sorceries for a tribal deck plus the lack of Docent Of Perfection was just a terrible choice. The deck is kind of all over the place which I think hurts it overall

  • Hagane Oboro (Pablio)

    poderia ter Elfos isso sim

  • Hedronal

    I’m glad Reality Shift made it in there, that’s quality removal. Curse of the Swine is also good in that regard.

  • Hedronal

    The commanders this time just aren’t doing much for me. Mairsil seems like the one exception to that, though I’m still uncertain. Nazahn I might rebuild with the Nahiri premade into something more fun.

    • Gord

      These just don’t look like much fun. Very few of the cards are appealing to me, sure there are a few of the new ones that I’d like but nothing to get me to spend the $50 to get a deck. When these were new some of the reprints were worth getting like sol rings etc. but they can print other staples instead (Chromatic Lantern in a deck instead of Sol Ring), there are a lot of possibilities. I want to like these products I really do.

      • Hedronal

        I’ll probably get wizards so I have Mairsil and a frame to use him in. Otherwise I’ll probably keep him pretty casual with whatever accessible activated abilities I feel like.