• Serj

    Is this a joke?

  • xxxx

    This will put some Emrakuls and Grisalbrands in play
    (*.*)

    • the mad seer

      emrakul is banned

      • Tolle

        Not in [insert format other than standard]

        • eltratzo

          in those formats however the elvish piper is also playable and currently not a thing. I’m not convinced that +2/+2 will change that.

          • Tolle

            Please look at commander and tell me elvish piper isn’t a thing.

          • eltratzo

            I do. yes it is playable. it also tends to read: “3G; sorcery; choose an opponent at random, that opponent discards a removal spell.”

            I play commander quite a bit and most decks I tried or saw sombody else play the piper in got better when they replaced him with something that gives immediate value.

            Also unlike other formats in commander the effect while strong isn’t nearly as dominating. most decks play at least two wraths (playgroups might differ of course) and some targeted removal for most relevant cardtypes.

            And even if you cheat out an avacyn, its still edh. turn 5 avacyn is great dont get me wrong . but most decks can do comparable things or are equipped to deal with that. and about two turns later everyone will be playing their fatties.
            mostly quicksilver amulet is just way more reliable even if it cost way more to activate.

            about the only edh deck I really like the piper in is mayael since it allows you a cheap way to get fatties you draw on the field. and even there the amulet might be better.

          • Tolle

            A. In commander removal/counter bait is a good thing. Don’t discount that.
            B. With affects like swift foot boots, lightning greeves, and many other artifacts that see play in a LOT of commander decks. That fact she doesn’t have “immediate” value is mitigated.
            C. I never said she was as oppressive in EDH as in other formats. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t see play.
            D. Just because your play group(s) don’t play her doesn’t mean she isn’t played. She is in many different play groups and can be fairly effective.

  • Zeph

    Hey that’s pretty good!

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    Jesus, that’s some serious ramp.

  • prplprince

    ok so…… thats bonkers. This guy in modern will be a bit scary

    • eltratzo

      what exactly makes this guy scarier in modern than elvish piper? yes, this is bigger but both die to nearly every played removal in modern. and considering that you want to cheat out big stuff the one mana activation cost of the piper shouldn’t matter.

  • xSiNx SHADOW

    what the hell wizards…this is by far the most insane affect for a 4 drop i’ve seen in a while

    • Divine Shadow

      Good. We need better magic cards overall.

  • the mad seer

    i foresee a banning soon.

    • Tezzybros

      Yah think?

    • MTG420

      Enough with the bannings. It will cycle out in 2 years anyway.

  • Bobby

    Kailia for green

  • Kaiser

    Green is sick

  • Blahblahblahbla

    Elvish Piper that you don’t have to pay mana for, but you do have to got to combat and potentially throw it away. Pretty neat! I never got to play with piper in limited so im pretty excited to test this out. Very sweet design.

  • Anthony George

    A much more broken version of Preeminent Captain.

    Imagine having this out on the field with Combat Celebrant. Attack with both, exert both. Champion ramps out a creature and is untapped by the Celebrant. Then the additional combat phase lets you attack with it again, ramping out a second creature in the same turn.

    • galen150

      i’d rather have combat celebrant finish the game turn 4, but cheating out 2 creatures turn 5 isnt bad.

  • Samuel Brown

    oh look a card going streight on the ban list, because i’ll be crazy broken

    • Divine Shadow

      No.

  • Daniel Kaine Allen

    Sooo…. 4 mana ulamog?

  • galen150

    um, how about no?

  • Cthulhooo

    Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Fuq?

  • Happy The Cat

    so a 3/3 piper. no colorless 8+ creatures could take advantage of this since they aren’t in standard right?! and it’s not like they changed standard again making this block play with zendikar! what could possibly do wrong with this!?

  • Gord

    This is good but it does require a fair bit of setup to pay off. I like it in EDH a lot, but I’m not convinced its strong enough for standard or any of the older formats where there are better options to cheat in creatures.

    • eltratzo

      what role does it play in edh that the piper doesn’t already? especially in edh the bigger body doesn’t matter since both still die to the same removal spells and both are to small ti attack or block and expect to survive. and the piper doesn’t need to suicide for its effect

      • Gord

        Oh, Piper is better for all the reasons you stated – I don’t mind having multiple piper effects in a deck.

        • eltratzo

          that is of course true ^^ (though I tend to not play piper anyways since it in my experience doesnt survive the turn you play it. to many players are -rightfully- scared of that effect)

  • Jay Kilian

    It should have had a max CMC on the free cast creature. It’s nuts otherwise. It’s also not a mythic.

    • Divine Shadow

      Why make a good card terrible?

    • If Elvish Piper didn’t break the game, I doubt this will.

  • Scathain

    Wait, seriously? Put Emrakul the Aeos Torn onto battlefield turn 5 without even using tron lands? This might even be usable in simic tron. Put card from hand to battlefield is not an ability to be taken lightly.

    • eltratzo

      with simic tron in mind he might even be an option where the piper wasn’t since in tron decks coloured mana tends not always be readily available

  • All these commenters thinking this is a broken card, too young to remember Elvish Piper

    • Kaiser

      Well this could be strictly better than piper in this standard just for the 3 tough. You just need to put one creature into the play for win. If you can give this haste is a beast. But is true, piper is actually better in any constructed format

      • eltratzo

        for standard this might well be broken (it was not designed with bfz in mind). there are however multiple people here that consider this too strong for modern and that seems a bit ov an overreaction

        • Kaiser

          in modern this EVER will be killed, even if this hit something (hates and that you know) you opponent probably will wipe the board. Is really normal, green is supposed to cheap creatures CMC i dont see a lot of ramp in this set for green so this effect seems pretty ok.

      • For this to win you the game, 1) it has to survive a full turn without dying to removal (or you have to give it haste), 2) you must have the game-winning creature in your hand, and 3) the game-winning creature has to survive long enough to attack. This isn’t like Sneak Attack where you can just slap it down and start setting off bombs right away. This guy is totally Standard playable and probably a bit better than Piper because he’s slightly harder to kill, but that’s a long way from broken.

        • Kaiser

          Give this little guy haste when you cast it (not really difficult) have a Ulamog, Emrakul, other standard win con in hand. I never say ” OMFG this is broken opopop” i just say this is very very very hard to dealt in standard cause you can cast on turn 4 a lot of things that are pretty dangerous just with 4 mana.

          • Robert FakeLastName

            emmy is banned

    • xxxx

      All these commenters thinking Elvish Piper is the original green 4 drop that cheats big creature cards into play, too young to remember Norwood Priestess
      or Eureka or Natural Order or … … … (-.-‘)

      • xxxx

        The thing is with 8 green elvish piper effects you could cheat a fatty into play quite consistently and on a budget because you don’t have to pay 250+$ for the mana base. By the looks of it this is quite far from breaking modern but a fun cheap deck that can do powerfull stuff and win some matches sounds nice to me. :D

        • Bonogringo

          So having a kill on turn 5 or 6 depending the creature you put into play. Depending also on the survival of a creature that is not very resistant for 4 mana. Is you definition of fun deck and can pull wins. I have standard combo decks costing 10 bucks that can pull victory on turn 4 and still i don’t have fun with it because it lose to a single removal. And modern as more removal or faster combo decks.

      • eltratzo

        while your point still has merit(and a number of the more dismissive commenters truly seem to not have known the priestess) the reason piper is used here quite a bit is that claims that this is too strong in modern are more easily refuted by citing a modern legal card than some old card from the ice ages.

        • xxxx

          Not from ice age(s) portal 2 ;)
          I never said this is too strong for modern … only that you could build a janky mono g deck with 8 piper effects now and if you’re lucky actually win a few matches by cheating a fatty into play with a 15$ deck wich sounds fun.

          • eltratzo

            just as your original post wasn’t specifically referring to me I wasn’t saying that you thought it to strong. just that others were and using piper is an easier conterargument than norwood (and yes I mixed up the symbols. my bad. ^^ I looked up the card because while I knew piper was not the first one I didn’t have priestesses limitation at the ready without consulting gatherer.)

            that said I’m still not convinced that a setup that is way more vulnerable than tron, one to two turns slower than that deck and a has more limited range of threats as a payoff is enough to even win a few matches at even moderately competetive tables

            yes even subpar decks can win on occasion. I really like janky deckideas that somehow can still beat metadecks at least somewhat regularly.

            but an 8 piper deck would be quite slow against the agressive rushdown decks be slower than other “cheat a big thing into play decks” and very vulnerable to controlly decks since it relies on nonhasty creatures that die to nearly every removal in modern.

            and given that you are playing 8 green cards and probably some ramp to get them out turn 3 (or even turn two if you run arbor elf+ utopia sprawl package) you probably also have litle ways of disrupting combodecks, which will without disruption also often outspeed you.

            If it does turn out viable I’ll be happy but im sceptical.

        • Zombie

          People are calling this too strong for Modern?

          I need some better drugs.

      • People aren’t referencing Norwood Priestess because it’s an obscure card from a supplemental product that was never even allowed to be played in Constructed decks until seven years after its initial (and only) printing. Elvish Piper was printed multiple times in Standard-legal sets over the course of about 15 years, and is much more directly comparable to this card than sorceries which cheat creatures into play without sitting around vulnerable to removal for a full turn before you get any effect. Nice job trying to come off like a smug know-it-all though.

  • Bobby

    Great card can’t see anything wrong with a better deck than mardu

  • Calvin

    Um yes…. This is way to easy to do shenanigans with, gonna get banned in modern, telling you know

    • Calvin

      *now

    • eltratzo

      elvish piper is already modern legal. why should this be banworthy if that one isn’t?

      • Umbacano

        There is also Quicksilver Amulet which is harder to remove and even colorless but still to my knowledge has never seen any play in Modern.

        • eltratzo

          the amulet however also costs you 4 to activate. so you basically skip your turn to activate it. still potentially strong gamewinning if you have the right creature in hand but also a potential downside

  • KrakenHunter

    I guess we can forget about an emrakul unban.

    • Dave

      Not necessarily. This doesn’t allow to control enemy turns via Emrakul because it’s not cast but put onto battlefielf.

  • Shagoth

    Boltable sneak attack.
    Pretty good, going in my elf commander deck, not good enough for modern, cuz bolt.
    One theme I’ve noticed with this set, a lot of cards that look game breaking that are nearly good. Also a lot of them are badly designed. (Can’t lose unless you remove the three mana permanent? Really fun to put that much pressure on the opponent turn 3)

    • lol no, this is way different from Sneak Attack

      • Shagoth

        It’s different.
        I’ll still compare them.
        I’m too hipster to use the Elvish Piper analogy.

        • Sneak Attack and Elvish Piper function very differently, and this is much much closer to Elvish Piper.

          • Shagoth

            Okay, I’m not “wrong” to say that Sneak Attack and this have overlap.

          • Sure, but it’s overlooking extremely important differences when there’s a much closer point of comparison

          • Shagoth

            Look, I’m not as overly technical in day to day life as seemingly the majority of magic players. I don’t fancy it as something important.

          • Okay, but in terms of how the game of Magic works, mechanically and strategically, it is important. Sneak Attack is a card that would almost certainly be broken in Modern, this is not. There’s a reason for that.

          • Shagoth

            I know, and I don’t care.
            I don’t want to go nit picked for not accurately comparing power. If things have similarities, I’ll compare them. I don’t need everyone correcting me about something so menial.

          • Thomas Luffman

            We have incandescent soulstoke for those people that really, really want to have a sneak attack engine in modern.

    • Pacu

      Is “boltable” the new “dies to doom blade”?

      • eltratzo

        well bolt is one of the most played modern cards. so having more than 3 toughness is very relevant in that format. and yes for a creature that has such a high threatlevel and has to sit on the field for a full turn what can and can’t remove it is very relevant because if your opponent can remove this he almost always will and since this is not the threat itself but an enabler removing it will also likely strand a big creature in your hand for a few turns giving them a tempo advantage

      • NC

        It’s been the modern equivalent since modern started tbh

      • Shagoth

        It’s been that way for a while, I mean, you can have a creature that will have “when this attacks, target opponent sacrifices all permanents they own” and if it costs four and dies to bolt, people will say it can’t see play. (I would disagree, personally)
        Either way, this is similar to the piper, which doesn’t see very much play in modern.

    • eltratzo

      isn’t piper the more apt comparison?

      • Shagoth

        Probs.

  • BusinessmanGinger

    In the wise words of Filthy Frank, “This is not okay, this needs to stop now!”

  • Alexandre Donnart

    You guys started playing a month ago or something ? Elvish Piper ? No ? If you think this guy will get banned, you haven’t played this game enough.

    • xxxx

      You can’t remember Norwood Priestess? Did you start to play the game 2 years ago or something? …. no need to be so condescending to new players dude. Everybody started at some point … you too

      • Alexandre Donnart

        Good point. The thing is, when you’re a new player; you shouldn’t spam “this is broken and will get banned in Modern” or in any other format. That’s dumb.

  • NC

    It’s good – potentially really good depending – but it’s not like it drops them in tapped and attacking or anything

    • Minizem

      Neither did elvish piper. Or quicksilver amulet. Doesn’t mean they aren’t baller cards.

      • NC

        Really good, not broken. Probably. The big Eldrazi being cast triggers and not etb really digs into this thing’s ability to do dumb stuff.

  • Phoenix UNBENCHED

    Wtf is that lizard doing, busting some kinda dance move?

    • Polis_Ohio

      He’s entering the battlefield from your hand.

      • Shagoth

        Someone literal being a joke killer.

        • Polis_Ohio

          Shaggoth has two ‘g’s.

          • Shagoth

            …you’re good.

          • Polis_Ohio

            Hah. To clarify I’m just messing. I’m guessing you’re name is from Warhammer? Do you play Total War: Warhammer?

            That game makes me go mmmm….

          • Shagoth

            Naw, never played Warhammer.

          • Polis_Ohio

            Oh a Shaggoth is an ancient dragon centaur that can shoot lightning in the Warhammer world. That’s how I imagine you, typing away with your massive fingers, becoming frustrated and using Voice to Speech.

  • Ryū

    Excellent. Free creatures is always good.

  • Fred Weasley

    “Make Aetherworks Marvel great again” said Wizards. This gets those unwanted big guys out of your hand and where you want them, so I will definitely want to try this in the Aetherworks Marvel deck.

  • NothingSpecial

    Not broken, but very solid, obviously. A very “well *that* has to be removed quickly” card.

  • Shagoth
    • xxxx

      And now tell me why beeing able to play 8 maybe 12 (but amulet is quite bad) instead of 4 piper effects can’t make elvish piper a thing in modern again ;p
      Btw you made the right choice for the elvish piper artwork … I miss Rebeccas watercolor style …

      • DJ Pad

        This isn’t a modern card, but it should see play in Marvelworks decks in standard.

      • Shagoth

        I mean, I’d love to play that, but my god a heck of a lot of things can kill them given how slow they are, in addition to requiring monstrosities of cards in your hand at the right time.

        I actually think the Amulet is the best, it may cost more to use the ability but it ends up being “pay the marginal amount you already paid, tap: You win” I so I wouldn’t spend mana on much else. The amulet is tougher to kill as well.

      • eltratzo

        because an effect that cost 4 mana and then needs to survive a turn to then maybe win (you still need your wincon in hand, where it is a dead card if you have no way to cheat it out) simply isn’t an effect you want 8 or in fact even 4 of in you deck in modern.
        this would be a deck that tries to win by gettin out big stuff way to early so the apropriate comparison would be tron and goryo’s.
        and tron is just better. it has a wider range of gamewinning threats and tends to have them on board turn 3-4 with nearly no way for the opponent to interact.
        so what reason is there to use pipers? what is the upside that justifies slowing down by 1-2 turns and havin our anabler on the board without protection for a turn?
        unless someone finds a realy good answer to those questions this likely won’t become a major player in modern

  • Zombie

    When you figured out why they banned Emrakul and not Marvel

  • Julna Buras

    Who at Wizards thought this was balanced? I’d like to have a word with them.

    • Divine Shadow

      Balanced cards are awful. I enjoy ridiculous stuff like this. Even if it isn’t broken.

      • Julna Buras

        I’ve been sick of turn-5 Ulamogs since Aetherworks Marvel came out. I have no desire to see more of them with this card. Ridiculous is an understatement.

        • Dave

          At least no cast trigger for Ulamog.

        • Shagoth

          At least you can harnessed lightning their turn delayed Marvel. Also sometimes fatally push it, also no instant speed. Turn five will still be viable, but this card won’t feel as much like doom on the horizon.

  • dTHEb

    I know the rulings are not out yet but maybe someone knows this. Does exert happen during declaring of attackers or can it only happen afterwards? Because if it is possible to trigger during declaring you could bring out a big charger like glorybriner and instantly attack and exert this too.

    • AlaAlba

      You declare all of your attackers, make your exert choices, and then the abilities go on the stack. At that point, you have the ability to respond to those abilities until you pass priority. Once you pass priority, your opponents get a chance to respond, and the stack resolves once all players have passed priority. You do not get to declare any further attacks past this, even if the creature you put into play has haste.

  • Shagoth

    Why aren’t Jackals in a few colors, that’s my real question.

  • Ankulay Poulay

    It’s funny how people overreact to this card…. Piper was legal at the same time than Emrakul, the Aeons Torn (for a very short time) and was barely played in standard. Only fun deck took the risk to even play it back then and somehow it was still better than this since it can activate every turn for one mana without having to kamikaze.

    • Daniel Kaine Allen

      Piper is a smaller creature and costs mana every turn to do the job. While this can die doing it, it’s a bigger body and doesn’t use mana. And of course this is a different standard than when m10 was out. Cards like this can more easily define standard than back then.

    • Nanya

      EDH is a thing these days.

  • Aarhg

    What a cool dude. The basilisk in the backgound is like: “Noooo, that was my favorite scale!”

  • galen150

    against other creature decks, this basically says ‘tap and sac: play a creature from your hand, deal 3 damage divided as you choose between creatures an opponent controls’ more or less

    • Hedronal

      Not really divided as you choose though.

  • Minizem

    Oh hey, look, another way to cheat Eldrazi out, cool.

  • Winter Trabex

    Should be a mythic.

    • Giby86 .

      There’s nothing mythic about this card.

      • Winter Trabex

        In Modern, it could Emrakul down on turn 4 while leaving all your other mana open. Turn 3, if you’re lucky with your mana dorks. Getting a lot of power on the board very early is worthy of a mythic.

        • Giby86 .

          Yeah, but “mythicness” isn’t supposed to be about raw power level. It’s supposed to be about awesome, complicated or impactful effects, and this card has none, it just puts a dude on the board. Which can be crazy powerful, yes, but in the situation you described the awesomeness comes from Emrakul, not this guy.

  • Chompchomp

    Oops, I accidentally Progenitus

    • Daniel Kaine Allen

      Oops, I accidentally Avacyn, Angel of Hope

      • Nanya

        Ooops, I accidentally Emrakul the Aeons Torn

  • sansmyhands

    This card is so Timmy. I love it.

  • potatogod442

    HELLO COMMANDER

  • Vizzerdrix

    Free storm crows!!! C’mon wizards way too powerful

  • Nanya

    Free Dragons, Demons, Angels and Eldrazzi, Oh my!

    • Logan Harvey

      Hell yes.

  • BlindKnight

    So, I’m a beginner and I have a question about this card. Since the effect activates when it attacks, if you put a creature with haste on the battlefield, can it attack the same turn? Or is it too late since the combat phase already begun?

    • Logan Harvey

      From what I know (intermediate player), as long as you haven’t proclaimed assigned damage you should be okay. It’ll be on the stack. So attack with Champion of Rhonas then immediately use its effect and place your haste creature on the battlefield, and attacking. Then assign your damage.

      • Nanya

        Sadly that’s not how it works.

        Attack step, you declare all attackers.
        Then the attack happens. Any triggered abilities happen on attack go off at this point.
        Block step. Your opponent chooses which creatures, if any, are blocked. Ninjitsu happens at this point.
        Damage step, this is when creatures assign damage to each other or other players. Quick pumps like Giant Growth are best used here.

        So when the creature gets dropped in, it’s too late to swing with it.

        • Chris Young

          you declare exerting a creature as it attacks (declared as an attacker) is when the trigger happens to be specific before blockers get declared, the creature will enter before blockers are declared but since it wasn’t a valid target to declare as an attacker at the beginning of the step is why that creature cant attack. Even if it has haste (lets say champ into glorybringer). Then Blockers are declared. Then damage is dealt.

          Declare Attackers, Declare Blockers, Damage step. so you were close but how you describe combat happening is not how it happens.

          Right idea on why this doesn’t work though

    • Nanya

      No, you can’t.

      You choose all your attackers at the same time. The creature that this drops in is after the attack declaration step.

      Now if you have some way to give additional battle phases, then yes, the creature can attack.