• Derek Niles

    this is just bad right?

    • dTHEb

      depends. its straight up pacifism with a chance for your opponent to get 2 life later on so I think its fair. they will have to pay anyway if they want to get it from the battlefield or to gain the life which taxes them 2 mana and if they want to play on curve and stay in the game they wont have the time to play it right away.

      • Derek Niles

        But giving them that opinion seems horrible, especially in a set with embalm creatures. This would be much better if you had the ability to sac the creature instead but then it wouldn’t be 2 mana. The only thing I can think of is this is a 4 mana, sac your own creature (trigger die effects), gain 2 life and that is just awful

        • dTHEb

          Why would you sac your own creatue? Better why would you enchant your own creature with this in the first place? Also this is embalm hate because you dont send it directly to the graveyard you just make it unable to atk/blk and if the opponent wants it back with embalm he has first to pay 2mana which will make it unlikely to directly be able to sac it and pay the embalm cost on the following turn.

          • Derek Niles

            Like I said, you could sac your own creature if you desperately need the life or want to trigger a “When a creature dies” effect. It’s not good, but I’m saying that’s the only saving grace. And it’s bad against embalm creatures because it lets you get value off of the creature enchanted (twice because of the life gain) and removal is suppose to set your opponent back, not give them 2 life and an opportunity to recover haha

          • TogetherAlone

            its still very cheap removal, and taxes their embalm creatures, so they are either behind on board or behind on tempo, either way you win that. This is a very good limited card.

          • Shagoth

            It maybe a great limited card, but it’s painful to see a downgrade to a balanced but classic card (in the non-creature card department) while already stupid tough creatures keep getting upgrades.

          • Jalais

            I think you’re vastly over estimating the value of 2 life that you have to pay 2 for. And yes it doesn’t permanently deal with embalm, but then almost none of the removal in this set does. It’s not as good as pacifism, but I’d rather pay 1 less for this effect, and if I see my opponent spending their mana on this rather than another spell, I’m happy. Also there are plenty of good targets without embalm.