• Tiki mccain

    ITS A DREAM COME TRUUUUE!!!!

  • Raymond Horley

    is this the first legendary spider? black green commander spider tribal can be a thing now I suppose.

    • Kevan Kramer

      Yes it is

  • Zachary Cooper

    OMG A LEGENDARY SPIDER!

  • Zachary Cooper

    Love the spider spawning callback, it’s the same mana cost and the ability is the same as spawning flashback cost.

  • Kaiser

    Hail spider queen

  • Son Goku

    A legendary Spider. Awesome!

  • Hedronal

    Upon seeing the image of this on the main page, I exclaimed “Legendary Spider!!”. I didn’t even look at the text then, as I was excited already.

  • DJPad

    It’s cool they finally made a legendary spider. Kinda wished the ability was “each opponent” rather than “target opponent” to make it stronger in EDH.

    • Asghaad

      id rather have it with white or blue ability – its ETB commander, it needs to be flickered, but in green and black that isnt going to happen

      • Nharzhool

        Elvish Piper and Roaring Primadox, I guess.

        • Asghaad

          in which case you would do better with comboing Eldrazi Titans or other totally broken crestures with ETB effect rather than doing all that to gain three 1/2 tokens …

          this NEEDED to be in blue or white where you could easily flicker it multiple times per turn with cards like Eldrazi displacer or Deadeye navigator or at least have repeatable one with Flickerform and other options as Cloudshift, Eerie interlude and such …

          im G/B this is very underwhelming Commander, ETB effect is weak and non repeatable (and conditional) and payd ability is expensive and multiplayer unfriendly depending on having large boardstate to be even somewhat viable – in format wehere all decks run 2+ boardwipes …

          so to sum it up, its too expensive (3/5 in green should be 4 mana not 5), its ETB effect is “meh” and its activated ability is downright useless ( i can do far more broken things in EDH for 7 mana than do few points of damage – if i have boardstate to do significant damage, it means that i wopuld do better investing that mana in combat pump of the army of creatures rather than blowing 7 mana on simple damage to one target …)

          its BAD commander card in wrong collors – if it was G/W or G/U with second ability that could preferably flicker it of for example tapped creatures instead THEN it would be useful, like it is there is really no point in using it – there are better options for token decks than this …

          • Nharzhool

            Got a TL;DR version?

          • Happy The Cat

            play
            better
            etbs
            you probably would be better off if you just left out the Prim and just Piped out fatties instead of board cycling for etb effects, if you really want to do this however you might want to invest in a Conjurer’s Closet.

          • Nharzhool

            lol, thanks! For some reason, I completely spaced about the Closet…even though I run it for ETB goodness.

          • Happy The Cat

            you really don’t know what this card is for if your first goto is flickering.
            also piper doesn’t cast and titans don’t have etb triggers, it’s on cast.

      • Tragic

        If it’s a commander, you can just sac it and recast it from the command zone. With green it’s not like it’s too hard to ramp to match the costs.

        • Urdothor

          “If it’s a commander, you can just sac it and recast it from the command zone” Why waste the mana on casting from the command zone? Return it from the graveyard! Its a B/G spider

          • Happy The Cat

            or just put it in the Closet, a lot of spiders have really good etb effects so having it in your deck will probably be pretty helpful

          • Asghaad

            you cant count on only one card in commander – thats the whole point of it … yes you are in black with most universal tutors, problem is that you are depending on one artifact in format where EVERY deck runs artifact removal … and you are not in white or red to recur that artifact from the graveyard

          • Happy The Cat

            wait, your goto for recurring isn’t bg? cause between all of the eternal witness effects, the tutors, the actual graveyard recursion, and dredge itself, pretty sure I could put all the two card combos in my deck that I want and still get them off.
            also, if I’m running this will be in a tribal deck, so I’ll be more concerned with flooding the board with spiders of various sizes than forcing my five mana 3/5 to etb several times

          • Asghaad

            and for what ? grave recursion has MUCH better targets than something that generates three weak tokens … if you reanimate from graveyard you are grabbing Blightsteel collosus, Eldrazi titans(those that do not reshuffle graveyard obviously), Wurmcoul engine or something similar, you dont waste graveyard reccursion for something THIS weak…

          • Tragic

            This is EDH, a casual format in the first place. If someone want’s to find ways to trigger their commander ETB, what does it matter? What if a player doesn’t want to sink money into those Urzatron staples? Often, the point of running any commander effectively is to either abuse their colors or their abilities with the ultimate goal of winning. It’s not the greatest strategy, but if you’re always going with the greatest strategy, you’re probably netdecking, which defeats the purpose of EDH.

          • Happy The Cat

            did you not read the full conversation? or did you think that I would be letting my commander go to the graveyard or something? because if you actually read what I said I’m saying you run this as the general for a dredge spiders edh that filters out to it’s tutors or it’s EWs so it can get it’s good cards back out, NOT my commander.
            also have fun with reanimating you Blightsteel COLOSSUS, that sounds fun and like something that will totally work and doesn’t have anything on a specific card that says it doesn’t.

        • Asghaad

          ahem saccing 5 mana commander to cast it for 7 mana to bring 3 1/2 tokens on the battlefield is TERRIBLE idea …

          • Tragic

            But it’s an option…?
            Let’s say you’re empty handed with a ton of mana available, which can happen quite often in an EDH game, doing nothing progressive during the course of a turn is a worse idea than improving your board state with what you have.

      • kasigah

        Conjurer’s Closet is always an option

  • Sani

    I secretly wished for this!

  • Fbn Dnl Schlr

    Regardless of the “OMFG LEGENDARY SPIDER” hypetrain flying around here, did anyone notice the 7 MANA activation cost? It only targets one opponent! This card is a joke.

    • Taxle

      you know its less the legendary spider hype train, but more the “spider spawning” hype train. it has the exact same costs as the jewel we had in the original innistrad. its the same with all the delver homages

      • DJ Pad

        Also 7-mana for a repeatable “target opponent loses 4 life”, with an excellent blocking body (that matches up well against Gisela and Avacyn) is no joke.

        • Matt86

          Look at Jarad and learn how repeatable life loss abilities work. “All players” and “2 life for each spider”, and it would be reasonable

      • Matt86

        Yeah, just that all those Innistrad cards look sooooo much better, and are so much better still, and make this set look just a wee bit sad… for example, spider spawning usually put out about 13 spiders before the game was over

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      For repeatable drain for possibly a ton of life, not overcosted.

    • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

      Well, you’ll be running green, so it’s more manageable with mana bros. But I see your point: it feels expensive. They could have probably made it cost like 4 or 5 and just added in “once per turn” or “once during you turn” and that would more mythic.

  • Robert Edward Curtis

    I had no idea how much I wanted a legendary spider until right now.

  • Graymalkin86

    Needed to hit all opponents with the activated ability, and the delirium probably could have either triggered on upkeep or on entry of a nontoken spider. Still glad to see a legendary spider, finally. At least she actually interacts somewhat with her tribe, unlike Ulrich.

    • Marky Day

      Agreed. 7 mana for an ability that will usually only drain one opponent for 4 of 5 isn’t really good enough, especially compared to other Golgari options like Jarad who can end a game with just or one two activation of his ability. Still neat tribal option though.

  • Tragic

    Hmm interesting, but it’s not really what the tribal needed. Still waiting on my 1-drop spider, Wizards.

  • Rœkja

    I didn’t even know that I needed this…

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    Well this is a thing. I did not expect a legendary spider, like, ever.
    Well, looks like I have a spider deck to build.

    • Happy The Cat

      you get to work on that, I’ll get to work on a deck that takes Journals and other book based things and smacks your spiders with them, right now I’ve got Bludgeon Brawl and the animate artifact variants.

  • Zombie

    Another really cool legendary creature type we needed that Wizards disappointed with concerning its actual abilities.

    I’m sure it will be okay in Standard, since with Delirium it’s essentially 6 power and 11 toughness for 5 mana.

    But as a General? Pretty lackluster. Might be cute in a Trostani deck.

    • Happy The Cat

      unfortunately this can’t go in a Trostani edh thanks to that activated ability. however it is the right colors for a bg reanimator deck.

      • Zombie

        Ah yeah for some reason I thought that was a green symbol.

        And if this is what you’re reanimating, your reanimator deck is kinda sad.

        • Happy The Cat

          I was more so thinking a spiders deck that sets up a huge Spider Spawning with dredge and other self mill techs, then use stuff like E.W. to get back the good spiders that I actually want on the board. the deck would run kinda like one of those tribal fungus decks

          • Zombie

            ” the deck would run kinda like one of those tribal fungus decks ”

            Not exactly a goal I’d recommend shooting for

          • ashton

            you have no idea how a well built tribal fungus deck can be built. i’ve seen things. horrible things. literally thousands of saproling tokens by turn 7 all powered up by an eldrazi monument and generated mainly by a commander and some side spells… my dragon tribal didn’t stand a chance

          • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

            You could do a split tribal if you really wanted to, and add in gorgons. Their weakest thing is a lack of reach, so spiders would actually help a lot. Especially because spiders tend to cost less and gorgons tend to cost more.

            Also, i’m still waiting for my green black Gorgon commander. We have Hythonia, but she’s mono black. Pharika is really the closest option we have right now, unless I’m totally forgetting something.

          • ashton

            we have a sultai gorgon from the original commander decks

          • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

            I knew I forgot someone! Still, would be nice to have a legendary green/black gorgon

          • JustAGhost

            We do have one, Sisters of Stone Death.

          • Happy The Cat

            In big multiplayer games the low tier tribes tend to get ignored while people deal with bigger threats. I’m playing Spiders here, not Cats or Zombies or one of the other good swarming tribes. about 90% of my creatures have at least two more toughness than power. I’m going to play defencive,build my board, and hope to god that no one has a wrath in hand when I get my spider spawning.

  • Happy The Cat

    am I the only one who thought that name was in german seeing it next to United Resistance?
    anyhow she(I guess? broodmother that brings her spawn counts as female right?) is ridiculous, those tokens are big compared to all the 1/1 humans and the 1/1 eldrazi pintos and will smack all those 1/1 spirits down as well. this is effectively a 6/9 with the tokens, for five mana that’s really good.

    • Atarka Effreet

      I thought it was german too..

  • kasigah

    All the spiders!

  • Marky Day

    I kind of wish that for 7 mana it said ‘all opponents’ rather than ‘target opponent.’ I don’t think that change would have affected anything but EDH for the better since limited, standard, and everything else is played 1v1. As it is, I think Jarad is a better Golgari commander because you can potentially do massive amounts of life loss to all opponents for a measly 3 mana. This is cool though. Make it all bouncing and ramp and graveyard shenanigans. Keep your defenses up while slowly drawing an opponent of life.

    • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

      Tbh this should not be your commander unless you are making a spider deck for the sake of it being a spider deck. Golgari has much better commanders with much better abilities, especially since you can’t even flicker this well because you’d have bring it in and out of your graveyard: white and blue have all the fun flicker spells.

      That said, if I pull this card I am totally making a spider edh deck because screw it, why not. I’ll even put Gitrog in it for added fun.

  • Jacob Anderson

    Can’t decide if i want to raise my curve in my Delirium deck with this and Emrakul or lower it with Gnarlwood Dryad.

  • daron2501

    The problem is Delirium in Green is bad…..

    • ashton

      it’s not mono green though. it’s golgari. in edh it can use dredge. in standard it can run discard effects.

  • Chaospyke

    Another nice Legendary that is not mythic worthy. This is a solid rare for sure but in standard there aren’t enough worth while spiders to try and build around this.

    • TogetherAlone

      It is certainly mythic worthy, if this was rare, this thing would break the limited format.

      • Matt86

        You mean ‘The format where Delirium is never activated’?

      • Chaospyke

        In a format with murder, Lightning axe, puncturing light, angelic purge and many others, This guys is not game breaking.
        If you don’t have the removal to deal with this you probably drafted wrong to begin with/ got screwed on your packs and will do bad anyways.

    • Melissa Juice

      Rarity is based on limited play. This absolutely should be mythic.

  • Robert FakeLastName

    seems mediocre for a mythic.

    • ForeverLaxx

      Only because Wizard’s broke their original plan for Mythic once they printed Baneslayer Angel. This is the power level Mythics were supposed to be — reasonably strong, but niche enough that throwing them into a deck just because it has matching colors is unlikely to work most of the time.

      The problem isn’t that it’s Mythic. The problem is that Wizards decided to use Mythic as a superior Rare slot.

  • Ryū

    Well it’s about damn time.

  • Phoenix UNBENCHED

    Legendary spider for BG delirium, nice, nice. I would have preferred it to spit out spiders every turn, similar to how soul swallower gets its effect every turn (a 5-drop compared to a 4-drop). But it’s good as is.

  • Urdothor

    Would’ve liked if the spider spawning callback was a little closer to spider spawning, and a little less awful at mythic rare level :/

  • guy

    as a edh general this will play a lot like pauper general shaman of the pack. Shaman is one of my favorite generals, who doesn’t like black green elves, but black green elves, I think has more support, even at common level.

  • ‘sup-cakes

    STOP MAKING ME WANT TO BUILD A SPIDER DECK

  • MrAptronym

    I wish this was pushed just a bit more, mostly the ETB. Still, it is certainly usable, and a spider, so yay for a spider commander.

  • ConDucktor Whirl Crate God

    MAKING A SPIDER COMMANDER! HYYYYYPE!

    • Liam Hector

      seems sweet (especially with it being green/black) but then i looked at the spiders already printed …… and *sigh*

      • ashton

        Yeah they kinda suck but we always have arachnagenisis as a backup

        • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

          Don’t forget skysnare spider though. It’s actually pretty great.

      • ConDucktor Whirl Crate God

        Just gotta throw in the right support. Door of Destinies, With Black as an option we can throw in the proper removal and Draw power. Perhaps some hand hate as well just for shits and giggles.

    • Zombie

      Now we just need more than 3 playable spiders and the deck would be good-to-go.

      • Happy The Cat

        Chameleon Colossus, Spider Spawning, and Nyx Weaver. also we have Arachnogenesis and Swarmyard as good support cards.

        • Zombie

          Colossus is cheating and you know it

          • Happy The Cat

            I’m playing gb on a bad tribe, I’m all about cheating.

      • ConDucktor Whirl Crate God

        THere are 40 that meet the Criteria.

        • Zombie

          I said “playable” not “cards that would make me vomit if I ever had to play them”.

          • ConDucktor Whirl Crate God

            Swarming Spiders isn’t difficult when you have mana ramp.

  • Blahblahblahbla

    Awesome art, awesome concept, awesome abilities, wack/bunk/ratchet activation costs and requirements.

  • munkeemanometal

    This might be one of those cards that plays better than it looks, and it doesn’t look bad at all.

  • Bige Boiy

    fun fact: 6/11 stats for 5 isnt bad
    also fun fact: flicker exists and is very powerful

  • ashton

    lol i saw a guy on tumblr a couple weeks ago ask mark rosewater for a golgari spider commander!
    mark responded with “interesting”

  • Andy Upton

    spider tribal just got 1 step better

  • Graymalkin86

    A thought I had, in the unlikely event I try to build spider tribal:

    She works with the classic (if fragile) Ashnod’s Altar+Nim Deathmantle Combo, providing you with infinite colorless mana provided you have delirium. Then you just funnel all your black mana into the activated ability every turn.

    Add cards like Helix Pinnacle/Altar of Dementia/Blasting Station, and you’ve got yourself a combo backup plan with your spider tribal
    deck. Sure, it’s not a super-competitive combo commander, but having the option is nice.

  • Melissa Juice

    Just incredible. So glad to finally see this.
    I need it.

  • Nathan Harviala

    For a mythic, I must admit I’m very disappointed. Legendary spider? Neat, spider EDH can be a thing. 3/5 with reach for 5? Oookay… I’ve seen common spiders hit those stats. Delirium ETB ability to poop out 3 weaker spiders? Eh… At least it doesn’t raise the CMC. 7 cost ability that requires another color and delirium to be active two turns ago? I don’t see this spider making waves anywhere, especially since most flicker effects are white.

    • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

      Honestly, having a black ability makes this significantly better for edh if you want it as your commander. Especially because there are actually quite a few spider cards that have either black abilities or cost black mana. Also if you wanted a spider tribal edh deck, you finally have your commander.

      Outside of edh, I can’t imagine this will see too much play unless it’s just someone wanting have fun. It’s not a great card, but it’s a fun one. Like Gitrog.

      • Dr_Extremo

        can you have black cards in a green comander deck noiw?

        • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

          Technically, Ishkanah is a black green commander. Commander colors are dependant on the full color identity of the card, which includes the mana colors of its abilities as well (this is why General Tarazi (I think that’s her name) is a 5 color commander even though she’s a white creature).

          So, since spiders are a black green tribe, and Ishkanah is a green legendary creature with a black ability, Ishkanah is the ideal commander for that tribe (so long as you want your commander also be a spider. Otherwise there are so so many other great options).

  • Bige Boiy

    Gosh, what possible uses could a golgari deck have for graveyard shenanigans and token fodder?

  • Jaya

    There you go, now spider EDH is real.

  • kmk888

    Hmmmm… 6 power and 11 toughness with reach for 5 mana? 7 mana to deal at least 4? Delirium seems to be night and day with this card but the upside is quite good.

  • Avery Standley

    The costs relate to the original Spider Spawning. 4G for normal cost and 6B for alternative utility. Spider Spawning also costs 4G and has Flashback 6B.

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    This makes me want to make a delirium deck for EDH.

  • ironexe

    Why does this have Black? Black isn’t a spider color.

    • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

      It is on Innistrad. Grave Spawning has a flashback cost in black.

      Also, nyx weavers are green black spiders.

      • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

        *spider spawning, not grave spawning

        Also graverobber spider has a black ability

  • disqus_A12YL8TXnr

    Okay but now I’m laughing hysterically at a spider deck fighting a Tezzeret artifact deck, except all of the artifacts are like grimoire of the dead and tamiyo’s journal that have been turned into artifact creature.

    Spiders vs. books, the real rivalry of the ages.

    I might actually need to do this now.

  • BobbyZilch

    Any way of getting infinite mana + Cloudstone Curio.

    Get infinite spiderlings and then use its ability to kill everyone.

  • Vizzerdrix

    Not sure I want to build gb spiders but gb bugs would be interesting, thirds, merzeriuk or whatever it’s name is, could be interesting