• Dr. Burn Crow

    I would like to know more please.

  • Kevan Kramer

    Love the introduction story of her. I can see who being a BW PW.

  • Wmavon

    She looks like Bully who makes chilsren suffer and rejoyces at it so much she reach climax twice

  • Han Solo II

    Esper

    • ashton

      maybe but she’s in a draft set and 3 color is usually bad for draft. she’s probs just 2 color

      • WhiteWings

        Marchesa was three colour last time though.

        • ashton

          true but wasn’t she the only one? or am i missing something?

  • Chi Sarades

    Who you gonna call?

  • Vabolo

    I’m pretty hyped to see how they translate her ghostly abilities and rondel stabghost(tm) daggers into card mechanics. She was a dang cool antihero in the story this week!

    • Squirrel Lover

      Its obvious. Phasing.

    • Squirrel Lover

      Its obvious. Phasing.

  • BusinessmanGinger

    WE KNOW THE FACE OF THE KILLER!!!!!

  • Insight66

    I’m really hoping she’s Rakdos. Rakdos needs characters that are different from hedonistic Hellraiser cultist. Come on Wizards, dig deep and do more than, “i r selfish rapscallion hue hue hue”

  • TogetherAlone

    Likely in esper colors. She certainly showed greed(B), a sense of justice (W), and likes to have plan and not go in half cocked(U).

    • Marvin Sürig

      being smart and prepered isn’t something only blue has. I mean the description would also be possibile for just white black.

    • Daniel Scott

      I think the awcquardness of going 3 colour in draft is likely to mean she is 2 colour at most.

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    I’m going BW. I can see Esper, but the general character is Orzhov.

  • Garrett Shindle

    Is she a ghost who assassinates people, an assassin who kills ghosts, or an asssassian who is ghost like?

    • Kevan Kramer

      She an assassin who kills ghosts.

    • Reyos Blackwood

      She’s the assassin who killed Brago, after Sevala killed him the first time.

  • Marvin Sürig

    I saw her card on another side but can’t recall what side it was. And that card was certainly no Fake. I mean the abilities sound so real:
    +1: Destroy target spirit creature.
    -2: Exil target spirit creature you gain life equal to its toughness
    -7: Exil all Spirit creatures. You get an Emblem with “When a spirit creature would enter the battlefield exil it instead.
    I mean it makes total sense with her Story so far :D

    • Husk

      Well, it sounds a little bit too focused on spirits, and would make her almost unplayable. Flavor wise, it’s really nice, but I don’t think those abilities are the real deal ^_^.

      • Marvin Sürig

        I also think that it was a joke from another player which is why I said things like “I mean the abilities sound so real” and “I mean it makes total sense with her Story so far :D” I still think many people have problems understanding Irony trough the internet :D

    • jsn

      +1 ability should usually read: destroy up to one target spirit creature. without “up to”, there’s no way to use the + ability without a spirit on the battlefield.

    • Kevan Kramer

      Do you want a terrible PW? Because that is how you make a terrible PW.

    • BusinessmanGinger

      I think the fact alone that you have no credibility for which “site” you found it on shows that it is not real.

    • Steak Sauce

      What is this “Exil” mechanic you speak of? Something new?

    • Squirrel Lover

      /s ?

    • Happy The Cat

      real one is out, you weren’t even close.

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        They weren’t trying.

  • Red

    I want her to be UB so badly because she’s a rogue.

    Here’s to hoping.

    • Marvin Sürig

      Well as far as I’ve read she doesn’t like being called that. She is more of an assassin than a rogue. Or more like she’s a Ghostbuster because she removes undead (Most likely Spirits) from the world of the living. She either exterminate them for others or help them to find their peace after death stopping the cause which keeps them in the world of the living.

    • Bige Boiy

      more likely to be WB

  • heinz57

    Ok Danny Phantom

  • Marky Day

    First nuanced representation of a Rakdos character perhaps? I’m thinking Dimir though. Art looks more U/B than B/R.

  • Daniel Poirier

    Love it. -2-2 reset? Why not?

    • Happy The Cat

      cause she’ll probably take 3 at some point and you have to pay 2 life every time you blink her?

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        That’s still a net gain of 1 life.
        Plus, she gains you life.

        • Happy The Cat

          wait, in what way is that a net gain? first of all, you use one of the minus to draw a card or deal two and gain two. then what? she dies to something or you flicker her(losing the 2 life you gained) or your board is strong enough that you would be able to get a good pws ult off. at best she is slightly weaker than sorcery speed opponent’s discard and you draw with a buyback pay two life that you only have to pay every other turn.

          You know, you could stop trying to argue with me over mediocre mythics that don’t deserve the slot every single chance you get. it always ends with me going into detail about the flaws of a card. anyone running this simply doesnt have copies of good Sorins or Lilis or any of the numerous better cards that do what this does in faster and greater quantities.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            I apologise, I mixed up the -1 and the -2 (in which case it’s a net gain of 6 life).
            I do still contend she’s good.

          • Tiron Ford

            I can tell you’re an inexperienced player by how much you emphasize the life loss. Hall of Famer Luis Scott Vargas once said if you have any life total left, it doesn’t matter what life total you have left. Here’s a tip: life total is a resource that you should use

          • Happy The Cat

            Paying life to do things doesnt often matter, yes, but paying life to make an opponent lose that much the turn after is bad. you pay 4 mana to effectively deal 2 damage over two turns. that is bad. or you could make me discard a card and then have her meet my friend Bolt. YOU must be inexperienced if you believe that paying life to deal that much damage or make me discard one card is ever going to be good, especially for a card that can only be played in formats with 40 starting life or are ruled by ftks.
            Here’s a tip: learn what paying for something will actually do. Anything this can do, other cards exist that can do better.

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    First reaction: Where is + ability? Then I realize it can reset. Oh dayum girl.

  • Kevan Kramer

    Very disappointing card. I would compare her to Tibalt.

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      Oh, come on.
      Tibalt is legitmately bad to the point where you feel bad using his abilities, as though forced.
      This is not nearly thast bad.

      • Happy The Cat

        at least tibalt can get stronger and has a pretty good ult, she feels almost like one of the old fading enchantments, and not one of the good ones like Parallax Wave.

        • Mr.Mayhem631

          Tibalt makes you feel bad suing it, and really doesn’t have the greatest ult besides.

          • Happy The Cat

            but the biggest problem with her is that she will only see commander play, where pws are judged by their ults. sure tibalt doesn’t have the best ult but decks like thromok really like their 2nd copy of insurrection that basically was suspend 4 draw and discard a card at random when you remove a counter.
            I’d be okay with her in standard(actually, right now I wouldn’t, Junk needs a big nerf right now) but when you dont exist in standard or modern you either have to be broken as hell to find a home in eternals or be powerful enough to earn a slot over all the other cards in edh.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            I’m sorry, but I just flat out disagree with that.
            EDH is a pretty bad format to jedge walkers by ults given you have 3x as many players gunning for it.

          • Kevan Kramer

            You are wrong on this one. The reason why ults are so good in EDH is due to Double Seasoning

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Because every deck plays a green enchantment?
            I’m sorry, but I’ve never seen a Doubling Season come down once in EDH, and if you’re putting something in your deck on the off chance someone else will have, draw, and play it you’re doing it wrong.

          • GeneralGenerousGenesis

            Never seen Doubling Season? Wat?

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Yeah, and I definitely play with folks that would use it.
            Maybe they’ve just never drawn it or had the mana, but really, that supports my point.

            I reiterate: Don’t base your card choices on a single card maybe not in your deck in a singleton format.

            Even if I played with someone who had it in their deck constantly, I would still judge them on what I’m likely to use, and I wouldn’t hold it in my hand hoping they would draw it.

          • Kevan Kramer

            I guess you never played against 5 color superfriends.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            I have, and they didn’t draw their DS.
            And you shouldn’t put something in your deck in the hopes you’ll be playing a specific, somewhat unpopular archetype.

          • Happy The Cat

            well, when I “jedge” pws it will be for their ability to at least kill a player. she will never do that. even in the best circumstances. slowly bleeding two damage on an unreliable clock is bad in a format that starts a 40 and forced discard along with draw a card is bad compared to what you could be doing. you have black in your deck. Do you know what you have? BBEs. this slot could easly go to any BBE that will win the game if left alone. If she was red or green she might have been okay, as those decks tend to not get, well, any of these effects. but she is in BW. home to so much advantage that she will be completely unused. If you ever think you should run her in edh, go onto gatherer, use advanced search, type in the colors of your deck using the “OR” option, and exclude unselected colors. look through that for a bit and I guarantee you will find a card that is better for your deck.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            You jedge walkers on their ability to kill a player?
            What about JTMS and LOTV? Those are low hanging fruit, too. There are other good walkers like JAOT that help you kill someone just as well.
            Also, in BW, decks like Oloro will love the lifegain triggers.

        • Kaiser

          She can reset herself or generate adventage every turn, that is a good PW for me. Not the best, not even close to be the best but this is a multiplayer planeswalker. Gain 6 lifes of +1 card to your hand -1 card to your opponents hands is good.

          • Happy The Cat

            you lose 2 life every time you use her 0, that would be called a disadvantage, also her -1 is static, you only gain 2 life regardless off how many opponents. all she will do is paint a bullseye on your head. the only place she will see play is in conspiracy draft or edh and the only edh decks that could run her have way better options to do what she does

  • Robert FakeLastName

    This certainly is a strange card. Not sure how powerful it is though. She is too incremental and lacks a heavy pay off that most other walkers have. (one exception is gideon ally of zendikar.) I am in the camp that walkers without actual ultimates might be good but I have a hard time trying to find a reason to play.(has an interesting interaction with oaths in super friends).

    • Tiron Ford

      very rarely do planeswalkers ult. Usually the ult’s just the icing on the cake. Its the first 2 or 3 abilities that matter

      • Robert FakeLastName

        except having the potential of an ultimate makes the card more exciting overall. Not to mention doubling season.

  • Gujin

    This looks like the safest planeswalker ever printed. The utility is good, but at 4 mana, it feels far too slow to actually have a desire to legitimately run it.

    • Dr. Burn Crow

      Good for my Triad of the Fates EDH deck.

    • Tiron Ford

      tell that to Jace the Mind Sculptor, another 4 mana planeswalker

  • Happy The Cat

    I was going to rant about how Junk yet again got another power card. but this thing is pretty bad. she’s not strong enough to survive by herself and being capped at 5 means she will just die to almost anything. last time we got a pw with no + abilities he could kill any creature and turn it into a 5/5 dragon and had a Dragon Punch that still gets used in rb+ dragons today. she’s nowhere close to eternals and she isnt great for edh.

    • Kaiser

      But…she have a “plus” abilities :V the fact this time is…she haven´t ult

      • Happy The Cat

        so… her plus is lose 2 life… yeah, not a great card.

        • Dr. Burn Crow

          Yeah, but you can use her -1 once while she’s out and she covers her ghost jump already. I agree it could be 1WB and be a bit more palatable, but this is acceptable.

        • Tiron Ford

          her 0 prevents her from being interacted with as well. If you use her 0 ability, your opponent won’t have the ability to attack into her on their turn. Life total doesn’t matter. If you have any life left, it doesn’t matter what life total you have. It’s for that reason fetch lands and thoughtseize are played in legacy

    • Tiron Ford

      I think you’re underestimating her. She does have + in the form of her 0 ability, which resets her to 5 loyalty and prevents the opponent from attacking into her on their turn. She’s 4 mana cost and isn’t blue, so abrupt decay and red elemental blast won’t be able to kill her. Her -2 is backbreaking for grindy decks that depends on attrition wars like BUG to deal with, her -1 is more of a win con late game after you stabilize the board , and her 0 ability can not only reset her own loyalty, it can also duplicate ETB triggers, exile tokens, or exile your opponent’s creatures until your next upkeep, denying them the ability to attack or block.

  • Zombie

    Interesting tick down-then reset kind of ‘Walker.

    If her colors and CMC weren’t so limiting, I’d dare so much as to say she’d be Legacy playable. But in B/W she’s forced to contend with the likes of Jace, the Mind Sculptor in decks like Esper Stoneblade and others like Liliana of the Veil.

    Dack Fayden escaped into Vintage playability on the backbone of a dirt-cheap CMC and very relevant abilities to the format. Kaya’s abilities, while cool, don’t really have a place in Eternal formats.

    She’s definitely going to be nuts in EDH, though.

    • Robert FakeLastName

      I don’t know about “nuts” in EDH. She seems to underwhelming for that.

      • Aplaneswalker

        She would be except since all her abilities say “each opponent” you might as well be painting a target on your back.

      • Zombie

        Her two tickdown abilities both hit every opponent, which is huge for EDH decks.

        Honestly she’s probably going to push Oloro decks back into Tier 1.

        • DJ Pad

          True, but neither is that strong in EDH. If she drained 2 from each opponent and gained you that much total life (not just 2 life max) or drew you as many cards as you have opponents’ discard etc. she’d be very strong. As such, she may have a couple homes, but she’s far from powerful.

    • James Harris

      I think she can use a test run in Esper Stoneblade. Flicker misty or clique is really good, and she brings all kinds of other versatility. Against Lili decks, she makes sure you don’t go to top deck and you’re opponent does way faster. She is also fine in the burn match up.

  • Back Alley

    One nice thing about her 0 ability is brings her back at your next upkeep instead of right away, so if you are able to reset her, you are for sure going to be able to use an ability again. Sad thing though if she’s only going to be legal in legacy, vintage and commander so unlike Dack Fayden she’s probably won’t be good played at all really in any of those, save for a little in commander.

    She seems like she would have been great in standard or at least played a good amount in standard, and maybe even a bit in modern. She’s can be a card draw engine. Her first -2 is puts you up a card against your opponent ( similar to a 2 for 1 I think?) and then any following -2 puts you up at least 1, most times 2 cards ahead of your opponent (wich in terms of a x for x maybe 3 for in terms of advantage? Not too sure if that’s the best way of putting it.

  • Artirian_Legacy

    Anybody notice how she’s card #75 in the set? Golds aren’t usually until the last 60 or so cards. Looks like this will be a heavy multicolor set.

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      The new cards come first, meaning we’ll get around 75 or more new cards.

  • Ultramegalord

    Calling it now, return to return to ravnica the orzhov obzedat is going down!

    • Dr. Burn Crow

      I was thinking that, what with her hatred of spirits and her conspicuous facial piercings that remind me of Teysa’s piercings.

      • Kaiser

        All ghost hunters have piercings, logic.

        • Dr. Burn Crow

          No, but members of the Orzhov Syndicate do. I’m saying she might be a resident of Ravnica. So shove that in your cake hole, ya dingus.

      • Hedronal

        Hatred seems a bit more emotional about it than Kaya did, at least in her one (and a tenth) story appearances. I’d say it’s more like she has strong opinions about ghosts and makes a living being paid to enforce them.

  • Shagoth

    Honestly, the reset ability isn’t great. It makes you loose life and flickers. Not great. People also seem underwhelmed whenever it comes to minor drain. Her third ability is the only one that I can see myself using.

    • Norsdef

      Idk…
      After use the second ability for the fourth time, 2 life points isn’t a big threat…

    • samuraiwarrior

      yes because heaven forbid flicker effects have never been abused before that losing 2 life is nothing ah wait they have please tell me in the two hours you have had you become less of a scrub at this game.

      • Shagoth

        Venser costs one more, flickers any permanent, and has another valuable ability. Venser is also in better flicker colors. I never said flicker effects haven’t been abused before. Her flicker is also kind of slow. Another thing is that she isn’t standard or modern legal, so she has far more difficult competition. I just think there are better cards for it. Also, please, can you improve upon your grammar, it makes it kind of difficult to read without any punctuation.

        • Mr.Mayhem631

          I think they’re different decks. To be honest, I also think they’re both good and Kaya is more versitile.

          • Shagoth

            Lately, whenever people doubt planeswalkers, they turn out to be absurdly strong, (Venser’s Prodigy, Nahiri, Flamecaller, Nissas, The Last Hope) so I’m probably missing something along with everyone else doubting her.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Her issue is, being only eternal legal, she has a higher bar. I’m sure in modern she’d be okay, and good in standard.

          • Shagoth

            I mentioned how that’s another problem she has. In standard and modern, yeah she could be in some cute little deck, but in Eternal, hangin’ with Force of Will and Brainstorms, I sincerely doubt she’ll do much. The other 4 mana planeswalker being played in Eternal has the right color, can scry, screw your opponent’s draw, brainstorm each turn, remove threatening creatures temporarily, and can sometimes win with the ultimate. She can’t compete with Jace, the Game Sculptor.

          • Tolle

            You seem to forget that Legacy and Vintage are not the only eternal formats. EDH will love her.

          • Shagoth

            Pretty much every decent to good card sees a home in EDH. It seems more like a “This card isn’t Tibalt bad” if it sees play in EDH. (Not saying it is bad, just not Dack or Veil good) Honestly, it’s my fave format because of the diversity.

          • Tolle

            A. Tibalt has a home in EDH.
            B. Want to know a card that doesn’t? Tarmagoyf, a vanilla 7/8 at best is just not worth it even for 2 mana. Just because a card is good does not mean it will see play in EDH.

    • Tiron Ford

      she flickers herself, and there’s no way your opponent can interact with her until your next upkeep. Plus, she can flicker your opponent’s creatures until your next upkeep, which is really effective protection especially in legacy where decks are pretty creature light. Also, Venser costing more is a huge deal. The 1 mana difference between counterspell and cancel is what prevents cancel or any 3 mana counterspell from seeing play in any eternal format

      • Shagoth

        Can’t believe I didn’t see the “until YOUR next upkeep” part. That makes it better but still, I’d rather use a swords to plowshares if I want to get rid of a creature and I’m playing white. Yeah, I know costing one more tends to be a big deal, but 4 is still too much in my eyes. She seems pretty “death and taxes” esque but a lot of two-three drops do the stuff she does better like the blinking and card advantage in those decks.

  • European Nightmare

    How repulsive

  • David

    Decent for multiplayer which is what matters. Kinda useless for everything else.

    • James Harris

      Esper Stoneblade (legacy). Flicker stoneforge mystic and vendillion clique.

      • David

        There’s much better way’s to flicker

        • Tiron Ford

          but can they flicker things AND gain card advantage AND gain life repeatedly?

      • Happy The Cat

        you do know she costs four mana right?

        • Tiron Ford

          Stoneblade runs Deathrite Shaman, so its not unlikely for a turn 3 Kaya

          • Happy The Cat

            turn 3 kaya… in a format of ftks… okay then

          • Tiron Ford

            Jace the Mind Sculptor’s played in legacy, and he’s 4 mana. Also, the only deck that can turn 1 kill and is competitive is storm, and that card gets destroyed by DnT and UW miracles, two really popular decks in legacy, so I wouldn’t expect that many storm deck

          • Happy The Cat

            you are comparing the most broken planeswalker in magic to this… yeah not a great plan. jace wins games by himself, she doesn’t.

  • Him

    She’s a ghost assassin! She kills creatures that don’t have a real form. You know, tokens!

    • free the eternal

      Tokens don’t have a real form? And that makes sense to you?????

  • Insight66

    A third Orzhov planeswalker, since your husbando is stuck in a monument to color pair disparity.

    • Hedronal

      Kaya is the second Orzhov planeswalker character, the first being Sorin. She’s the fourth Orzhov planeswalker card, as Sorin has three. Otherwise yes, Sorin’s going to have to recuperate for awhile.

  • Edward

    I really love this card. Being able to blink herself to reset rather than having a plus is unique and gets the job done. I also love how well she works with the Oaths even if you can only use to her to abuse the Oaths in commander since she won’t be legal in Standard or Modern

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      ooh that’s true
      SUPERFRIENDS CHOO CHOO

    • Nanya

      I’m confused, what Oaths does this work with specifically?

      • wombocombo

        both the black and the white oath. it works better with the black oath though. it also works great with the red oath. that being said i still think the card is garbage and if we are lucky it will barely pay for the pack.

        • Nanya

          White Oath gives it an extra loyalty counter…
          Red Oath… For each planeswalker that entered play this turn, zap for 2 to each opponent…
          Black Oath… Make Zombie Dorks

          Hmm, yeah, not the greatest there. Could be pretty good if you have Teferi’s emblem at least.

          • Hedronal

            Red Oath isn’t for each planeswalker, just if any number of them entered.

          • Nanya

            Oh, so just does 2 damage then regardless?

            Not nearly as good then.

          • free the eternal

            Its 2 damage every time she blinks. Same with the other oaths.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            They were referring to the interaction with Oath of Chandra.

          • free the eternal

            Right, with the oath on the field every time she blinks the oath does 2 damage at the end of the turn. This damage can only happening once per turn of course. Same with the black oath that was mentioned.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Oh, I get it, I thought you meant the cost to blink her.

          • Nanya

            Okay, that’s good. Oh yeah, you could blink her more than once a turn, couldn’t you? That…Hmm.. That’s basically a “I’m taking you with me” thing.

          • free the eternal

            The Oath damage only can happen once at the end of each turn. Sadly, only 2 damage max a turn, but it is each players turn. Just got to flick her on every players turn.

          • Hedronal

            Rather so. Most of its use comes when a planeswalker-medium/heavy deck’s 2-mana burn spell would have been a sorcery anyway.

          • Nanya

            Indeed, plus Kaya blinks till your next upkeep, not flickering, so not as good even then. Then again, I think it was set up this way intentionally so that you couldn’t OHKO your opponents.

            Speaking of stuff not being able to do what you want it to do, is it wrong that I’m upset that Nicol Bolas doesn’t ult at 10?

            Course, if he did, and you had both Tamiyo Emblems and Doubling Season in play, you’d win the game.

          • Hedronal

            Him at 10 or Ugin at 9 for me please.

    • Happy The Cat

      really wish she was standard legal so you could give me free wins. you can have your extra 2/2 every turn for two life or your two damage for two life. meanwhile I’m going to hard cast Emrakul and one shot you because you have payed 4 life for her flicker.

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        She’d be great in standard.
        Fun with maybe Oath of Lili and Priest of the Blood Rite?
        I just love POTBR.

        • Happy The Cat

          how would oath of lili be any good? you are paying two life per turn to get one 2/2 zombie. there are cards that can do better than that by a landslide. she’s bw, they already have better ways to flicker anything on the board without having to pay two life to do it.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Maybe get Oath of Chandra to mirror the life loss?
            Still good with Priest.

          • Happy The Cat

            so… two cards from your deck together deal two damage to your opponent and two to you. basically you made much worse Sulfuric Vortex for double the mana. well done as for the priest, ever heard of this card called Conjurer’s Closet? see, it does the same thing as her 0 without costing life and without being legendary and without being able to be killed by an attacking creature. also being colorless means that it won’t be locked to two colors in edh.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            It’s also not in standard.
            As for the Vortex, that doesn’t give you a zombie or a demon at the cost of not dealing 2 to your opponent.

      • Tiron Ford

        You won’t be able to hardcast Emrakul when she uses her -2 to get you to topdeck mode while her controller has a grip full of cards to respond to your Emrakul

        • Happy The Cat

          first of all if you are playing the deck this guy is talking about he spent two turns paying two life to deal two damage to me and getting a 2/2 zombie. secondly if I’m playing emrakul it’s going to be in a control deck which would probably countered her or had a large enough hand where discarding a card every turn wouldn’t have hurt me. Standard has Madness right now, do you really want me discarding?

          • Tiron Ford

            the only decks playing Emrakul right now in standard are GB delirium or Temur Emerge, both of which are at most midrange decks that trade 1 for 1. The only control deck that’s sort of viable in standard is WB control, and even that deck is tier 1.5 right now. The meta right now is mainly delirium and company decks, so it would be rather surprising if you were utilizing madness

          • Happy The Cat

            to be perfectly honest with you I was just naming the heavy hitter for the only deck she could see play against, right now she wouldn’t even get cast or would die the turn she came as she costs more mana that CoCo. sure you could flicker one of their creatures and remove 2-3 counters from it but most all of the creatures in that deck will trigger something on etb.
            She’s a sealed only card, in actual formats there is just too much natural pressure on the board for her to be able to go down and flicker back up without her getting picked off by something. if she didn’t have the pay two on her 0 I would be okay with her but as is if your opponent can put any pressure on her she basically says upkeep, pay two life.

          • Tiron Ford

            against CoCo, you could use her ability to blink herself out to ensure she’ll be alive the next turn, then on your next turn, use her other abilities and protect her via removals or creatures. Also, she doesn’t cost more than CoCo. They’re both 4 mana

          • Happy The Cat

            pretty sure CoCo decks come online as soon as you can play the three drops that make up 75% of your creatures. you need a lot of removal to stop CoCo once it gets going and having a pw that slow advantage who comes online the same turn CoCo can cast their first CoCo puts you at a disadvantage overall.

      • Edward

        I would never play her in standard. I would only play her in commander because that is really where she is best. You have a lot of life and can afford to lose 2 life to get rid of the biggest creature. In standard she would be too slow right now and wouldn’t do enough. Right now in standard i would much rather have U/R burn or some sort of control deck.

        • Happy The Cat

          correction you blink the creature, it doesnt kill it. meaning you will have to pay 2 life every turn just to keep her target exiled until you opponent kills her off. she doesnt work with any of the oaths well( pay 2 life to deal 2 and get a 2/2 next turn is the max she can do)
          the only format she will be okay in will be sealed where players dont have access to a normal amount of ways to deal with her. every other format she will get picked off by any player who decides she should be dead.

  • ConDucktor Whirl Crate God

    My KArlov commander now has a best friend :D

  • Nanya

    That’s… Interesting.

    Containment Priest will love this card.

  • Shagoth

    Anyone else like how she is dressed like a normal person instead of big armor or flashy robes?

    • Tye

      Well, one has no need for armor when swords and knives do not harm you.

    • free the eternal

      She is a assassin.

      • Shagoth

        Either way, it’s nice to have a more understated looking character.

        • free the eternal

          Assassins try to hide, they are more like ninjas than soldiers. They want to fit in, and not draw attention. Not a decorated warrior. She looks like she should look like.

          • Nharzhool

            Hi…welcome to 2016…on the internet…on a site for nerds…where we need to explain what a Ninja is. *facepalm*

          • Shagoth

            I understood the reasoning on the way she was dressed, I didn’t need the ninja part explained to me. The reasoning on why she looks normal doesn’t effect the fact that I think it’s cool, and yes, I understood the reasoning, I didn’t need to be explained what a ninja was.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            …she’s not a ninja.

          • Shagoth

            I’m not arguing that she shouldn’t look like what she does, she does. I just like the change of pace to have a normal looking person. It’s more relatable.

          • free the eternal

            I like the change too. It definitely made the story better for me.

  • Chaospyke

    A really underwhelming card. Especially for a planeswalker. Unless you’re doing worldhate and that’s way risky in draft.

    I mean she doesn’t even fit her flavor. An assassin. That does not kill creatures. In the colors that absolutely hate creatures. Wat?

    • Urdothor

      The first ability fits her flavor pretty perfectly actually. She shifts onto the same space as ghosts, allowing her to avoid being harmed, and ya know, kill the ghosts.
      The lack of killing is a bit annoying. But eh.

      • Urdothor

        Actually, she kills tokens. Ya know, the “formless” creatures like ghosts.

        • free the eternal

          Tokens are not formless. But nice stretch to make the flavor sorta work.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            And yet they’re often referenced as such- see Phantom General, Leyline of the Meek, and Intangible Virtue.
            I believe the flavor was 100% intentional.

          • free the eternal

            Tokens are not similar to ghost or illusions. Unless you talking about a spirit or illusion token specifically, which you are not..

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Despite these three examples of it being flavored that way in the past?

          • free the eternal

            Yeah, those examples mean nothing at all. Not sure where you are going with that. A phantom general is a Spirit. Just like an elephant token is a elephant. A gold token represents gold not the ghost of gold. I understand the stretch your trying to make. But its silly, and makes no sense at all. tokens of a human is a human. If the tokens were ghost it would say human spirit, or dragon spirit. And it does not, so they are not ghosts.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            You’re ignoring what I’m saying.
            I’ll try to put it as straightforward as I can.

            Tokens being spiritlike and spirits being often depicted in tokens has been the flavor of multiple cards in the past.
            Therefore, it is not a stretch that it is the flavor of this card.

            Would you call it a stretch to say that Phantom General or Intangible Virtue is pumping tokens because of ghostliness or other intangibility?

          • free the eternal

            Tokens are not spirit like at all. They are real things, period.

            I’m am not even touching your flavor text stretch, so don’t bother.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            So you’re just going to ignore these examples of this flavor in the past?

          • free the eternal

            You do know that there is a dragon token and a dragon spirit token. Why would they do that if they are the same???

        • Chaospyke

          Its a stretch but I guess I can buy that tokens are ghosts for the actual game. Her zero is pretty good, but that’s not enough to redeem her.

    • Tye

      For what is dead may never die.

    • Tiron Ford

      her -2 automatically makes her a 2 for 1, and if they don’t have a creature to attack and kill her, she’s a 3 for 1. Beyond that, your opponent has to kill her in one swing, else she’ll just reset to 5 loyalty

    • Melissa Juice

      The flavor of this is spot-on, actually. It’s also a fairly powerful card.

  • Pseudo Power.

    Pseudo removal, on a stick.
    A four point life swing, on a stick.
    And one for one card advantage, on a stick.

    • Happy The Cat

      *flicker on a stick, lose 2 on a stick
      sap 2 on a stick
      and a worse Syphon Mind, on a … well, cant call that a stick, more like a twig it’s so easy to break

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        I think you’ll find cards like Syphon Mind get a lot better when on a stick.

        • Happy The Cat

          but like I said, she’s not a stick, she’s a twig. she’s super easy to break and will have to reset every couple of turns. the only time she will get to truly go off is when you are so ahead and in control that you could have won without her.

          • free the eternal

            Her mana cost is 4 and she has 5 loyalty. Seems like a stick to me, maybe even a trunk. There are only 5 planeswalkers that have more loyalty than their mana cost.

          • Happy The Cat

            but every other pw(besides that RB sarkhan) can increase their counters, most of their time to higher than their mana cost. If you’ve got four mana chances are your opponent has a way to kill her, possibly at instant speed. she’s not a stick because she is so easy to break compared to an artifact or an enchantment version of these effects. she looks okay and will be annoy as hell in limited but unless you have a Doubling Season on board she’ll probably be getting killed very quickly.

          • free the eternal

            It just seems like you dont look at the big picture. Every card can be destroyed and has weaknesses. 5 is pretty tuff and she can reset to get more counters. You make her sound so weak and vulnerable because she doesn’t have a + ability. That is not the case for her. She was designed to be hard to kill, even harder than most, it is part of her flavor. You just have to get used to her.

          • Happy The Cat

            see, you point out the big picture but she, at max, has five counters, it is several times easier to deal five damage to a planeswalker than it is to remove an enchantment or an artifact simply because by four mana players will just have five power on board to hit her with. as for the reset making her tough and hard to kill, how many turns are you willingly going to just pay 2 life instead of using one of her actually viably good abilities? sure she’s not glassy but she is easy to kill of you don’t blink her every single turn.

          • free the eternal

            Every time you use her adds value. Yes she will die like planeswalkers do. You can make any card sound bad by listing ways to defeat it. There are also things you can do to make it stronger (chain veil, oaths, ect). There is no point though, we are judging the card as itself. Not scenarios you come up with. If a planeswalker can survive a lightning bolt they are tuff and not a twig by any means. She can take 5 damage, that is tuff.

          • Happy The Cat

            you really dont understand, I’m not making up a scenario. five power is easy turn 4 and she only survives a bolt if you are not using her good abilities and are just paying 2 life every turn so she doesnt die. paying life to do things is normally pretty okay, paying life to do nothing it a liability.

          • free the eternal

            Using a lightning bolt or assuming you can punch through and kill her is a scenario. I could say ill counter your bolt or block your turn 4, 5 toughness creature is a scenario. A planeswalker that cost 4 mana and has 5 loyalty counters is tuff.

          • Happy The Cat

            Ah, so you are going with the “the natural board state is a scenario” argument, eh? See, your about the 4th person who’s tried to argue that she’s good even though we already have enchantments that do what she does every single turn without having to be protected and nobody but Gatherer knows their names. In the real world creatures and burn exist and they will kill her. Having five max is very fragile for a pw that can only be played in formats that are filled with ftks and otks or start a forty life.
            Also the word is tough, not tuff, you are calling her a type of volcanic ash that has lots of tiny air pockets in it, making it rather fragile.

          • free the eternal

            I am not talking about any type of board state. I am talking about the card alone sitting in your hand. Picking it up and looking at it. 4 people are arguing against you because you are wrong. But it is obvious that the obvious isn’t clear to you.

      • Tiron Ford

        This planeswalker’s probably the hardest planeswalker to remove from the board given her first ability. Also, if you can siphon mind multiple times, you’re going to win the game

        • Happy The Cat

          wait, what format are we talking about? cause turn 4 I can normally have a big enough creature to kill her easly. Also, you can’t Sipon Mind multiple times, she’ll probably die before she gets to reset, a pw at three life is pretty easy to kill and at one a gentle breeze could kill her.

          • Tiron Ford

            Im talking about legacy, one of the two competitive eternal formats where this card is legal in. She has the ability to flicker herself, which can prevent you from killing her. She can also flicker your creature, which prevents that creature from attacking into her. Its kinda like Jace the Mind Sculptor’s -1 ability, which bounces a creature. Also, 3 loyalty isn’t easy to kill, at least not in legacy. Jace the Mind Sculptor, most of the time, would have 3 or less loyalty since his 0 ability is used most, usually on the turn he is played, while his +2 are seldom used.

          • Mr.Mayhem631

            Bolt?

          • Happy The Cat

            you do realise that your method of protecting her is to not use her actual abilities right, enjoy having a sulfuric vortex that only hurts you, I can wait till you actually do something with her to kill her. my Bolt will be waiting.

          • Tiron Ford

            you’re using her ability. You’re flickering either herself or a creature until your next upkeep. If you think that’s not using her ability, then I guess using Jace the Mind Sculptor’s -1 is not using his ability either. The only tier 1 deck in legacy that plays bolt in legacy is UR or grixis delver, which, like Jace the Mind Sculptor, you usually board out game 2 and 3. Beyond that, she’s black white, so you would also run her with discard like thoughtseize or cabal therapy, or if you’re running blue, force of will, to protect her from opponent’s answers. As I said, Jace the Mind Sculptor is usually on 3 and vulnerable to bolt, yet he still sees tons of play

          • Happy The Cat

            you… I don’t…
            what fantasy world do you live in where blinking a creature is in any way comparable to bouncing a creature? Jace can straight beat certain decks just by existing, bye Show and Tell. bye any deck that requires a certain creature to stay on the board. his +2 doesnt get used often but can lock players out by denying cards but his 0 is one of the only cards that really deserved to be banned from modern, but on a stick.(unlike Kaya’s “on a stick” as you need to reset it every couple of turns)
            I cannot believe I have to explain why a card with a $230-$450 foil price tag is better than a pw with no win con that is a worse version of enchantments we already have. Just. Stop.

          • Tiron Ford

            her 0 is still an efficient way to protect herself from opposing threats and can be quite versatile in what it can do, since it can blink your opponent’s creature to either attack through or prevent it from attacking, blinking herself to reset her loyalty and ensure she can be used the following turn, or blinking a creature to duplicate ETB effects. Plus her 0 combos with containment priest extremely well. Nowhere did I say she’s better than Jace the Mind Sculptor. In fact, I believe the biggest obstacle to her presence in legacy is that she’s competing a spot for the 4 drop slot with Jace. My point throughout this conversation is that you’re severely underestimating her. Reseting her isn’t a big deal considering the advantage she generates. Also, it ensures that she lives until your next turn for use.

          • Jacob

            So… Siphon Mind + gain at least 3 life (more if you swung with your mega-godly turn 4 creature)

            Is it worth it to draw a card, make them lose a card, and gain 3 life for 4 mana? I think it can be since you also have the chance to make it draw 2 cards, discard 2 cards, and gain at least 1 life.

            Remember that every point a player swings at your walker is a point you dont have to take. AND remember that most of the time you have to OVERCOMMIT to attacking a planeswalker because a player will almost always block only one creature coming at a walker.

            For example:

            You have two 3/3 creatures out and I have a 2/3 and this planeswalker. I use the minus that draws a card and forces you to discard. Awesome. Now you can swing with your 3/3 at me and another at my walker right? No. I will take 3 and block for my walker. Why not? Surely that 2/3 is worth less than making me draw another card and forcing you to discard yet again. Therefore, unless you have a lucky draw, you will have to send 6 damage to my walker just to kill it. Therefore for 4 mana. I gained 6 life and draw a card while forcing you to discard. This isnt all that unlikely. Even if you did draw a kill spell for my 2/3 you have to play it on a weak 2/3 instead of on a better creature if you want to hit me AND my walker. It puts you in a bad spot. I think its a strong card, but not a format defining walker.

  • Lord_of_Riots

    That’s… Not good. Not bad, but definitely not good.

  • James Harris

    Marit Lage? Gone. Burn? 2 for 1ed. Liliana? outraced. Fine card to me in an eternal control deck.

  • Happy The Cat

    the worst part about this terrible pw is I already know how good she will be in limited. she requires too much protection to work anywhere not next to the pack she was pulled from. eternal will just have gotten whatever combo their deck features off by now and in edh you would have been better off with the BBEs that do the same thing she does without requiring to be reset every couple of turns with two life. pulling her just means you won two extra packs this tournament.
    if you really think she would be good in your deck please take the time to look for the BBEs that are much cheaper than she will ever be. there are reasons they dont get played.

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      First of all, BBE is in two different colors.
      Second, is it really that good in EDH?
      4 mana for a random 3 mana or less card from your deck with the only upside being a free 3/2, which will rarely matter?

      • Happy The Cat

        I might have confused you, see people I play with tend to call Bloodbraid Bloodbraid, and 4+ mana enchantments that have effects so big that they make you say “oh my god” when you first read them Big Black Enchantments, as Bloodbraid deserves to be called by her name and mtg has enough Big Black Enchantments that they deserve their own title. the biggest reason for this however is that in our Commander friendly environment people dont often run Bloodbraid but almost always will have several Big Black Enchantments.(if they are playing black)

        plus she’s banned from the only format she was good in, .so she’s lost the right to her acronym.

    • Jazzyboy1

      What on earth is a ‘BBE’?

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        Bloodbraid Elf.
        EDIT Ohhhh okay. Never heard that before.

      • Happy The Cat

        Big Black enchantment? you know, those ridiculous 4+ mana globals with huge one sided effects. Gravepact, for example.

  • Daniel Scott

    Very cool in multiplayer since the card doesn’t come back till your next upkeep. You can always block the biggest threat to the table and you can play on that for political advantage. Seems perfect for conspiracy and edh. If it fails in 60 card constructed then that’s not what it was printed for anyway so I don’t see the issue.

  • Vizzerdrix

    This card is so strange, doesn’t actually do much of anything, the 0 is nice blinking creatures with etb abilities always fun, maybe grey merchant, -1 isn’t great this pw never adds loyalty so I’d only expect 1-2 activations out of her, the-2 prob the go to where she is so fragile isn’t bad I like it reminds me jace beleren, overall this is interesting more than anything, not super playable

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      The 0 resets it.

      • Vizzerdrix

        Yes also slow blinks your stuff or fogs your opponents creature, it’s strange in general a lot of back and forth between effect and resetting

      • Spacecat Runner

        The 0 resets it, but costs you two life. It looks like you hit the -2 twice, reset, then mitigate the loss if you care. But that’s standing still, with no play on other cards. The you draw, they dump actually looks like decent value. Get that for 4 cmc once, then at the very least it pulls some attention. If it doesn’t you can hand hate them to the ground pretty fast, while drawing! Left to it’s own devices this creates a major gap. Or just swap life over. Creating a gap. Of course, like all things forever, Bant CoCo smacks this stupid. They can just top deck Company and spit midgets in your face. Pro Tour!

        • Mr.Mayhem631

          wat

        • free the eternal

          I think your hamster fell of the wheel.

  • Silvy

    Case analysis:

    Worst case:
    *you draw a card, opponents discard one, and she gains you some life or wastes an opponent’s removal. in this case you are either 2 or 3 cards ahead the opponent : Fair for a 4cmc sorcery
    Normal case: draw two, discard two and die over the course of 2 two turns, maybe slow blink somehting down the road to fog an opponent creature or reuse an etb, or milk her for a last mini helix: Great for a 4cmc sorcery
    Best cases:
    *Phyrexian arena that causes discard, but every two turns must take a turn off: Awesome!
    *Repeated blinks, mini lightningn helix to the face or card draw + opp discard, but once per turn: AWESOME!

    Context analysis:

    *Loosing a game hard: she’s no ugin or flamecaller, but drawing a card is slighty better than the rest of your non wrath cards.
    *Loosing a game: she can draw, and eat some damage, or fog an opponent creature for a couple of turns. Again, she’s no ugin, but she can help you stabilize the board.
    *Stalemate: Draw plus discard, or repeated blinks to reuse etb or take out blokers/attackers WILL break the stalemate if she gets a couple of turns
    *Winning the game: Draws + discard seals the game

    Im not sure she’s legacy playable, but she brings quite the arsenal. While she lacks an ultimate, she, in a gideonesque way makes it up with pure value, and while its clear that her -2 is her biggest payoff. At worst its a card I would sb against grindy decks like BUG (which I believe isnt running pulses right now). Her -2 is brutal agaisnt any combo deck, and she can win a game againts miracles by herself BUT being a 4cmc pw means she will be often to slow. Lets be honest, if you were to run her, you are running discard, against combo there are way better options in the sideboard, and resolving her against miracles, while not as hard as 1~3 cmc spells, is still quite hard, and some of them run a spicy off councli judgment. Sadly her abilities are WAY to good for 3cmc walker, and the lack of removal and an “I win” buttom like jace the formats scultor or nahiri, the enmrakul harbringer makes it hard to justicy her as a 4cmc walker in legacy.

    She wont see shit of play in vintage, tho she WILL be awesome in commander, but as soon as every one is discarding be ready to be gang raped by your group.

    Veredict: Wasted potential for what could have been a great, but not broken, card on moderm.

  • Chompchomp

    Ah, so there it is. The “fedora-wearing bigot redditor” section of the Magic playerbase is never far away. Much like how scientists can infer the existence of darkmatter in the universe by merely observing the effects it has on its surroundings, I literally predicted the existence of your comment the moment I saw that a black planeswalker was announced, lol.

  • Spongegod

    Of course you do, because a beautiful blue-eyed blonde planeswalker is politically incorrect. Blonde lives matter yo know :-P

  • Spongegod

    And your point is? I like Teferi a lot.

  • Free the mayhem

    eternal 1. Mayhem 0.

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    I don’t even…
    No. Just no.

    I think just the fact that you were immature enough to do that means I’ve won.

  • free the eternal

    I am the immature one? what did you win, your wrong? You are grasping for straws and its pretty sad seeing you so desperate. It’s Elementary, Tokens are not spirit like at all. Also i am wondering what you mean by “You were immature enough to do that”.

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    Making an alt account just to mock me?

    Either way, we’re going in circles again.

  • free the eternal

    I didn’t create an alternate account. We are doing our circle thing again. I do see an end to this one, you are wrong.

  • free the eternal

    You got me curious, what is the account name that you thought was me? And where did they post?

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    Funny, “You are wrong” is also the end I see :D

  • free the eternal

    I am quite amazed by you, I really am. Tokens are spirit like, that’s funny. You manipulate my words like you do flavor text, good talent. What exactly is your reasoning behind thinking tokens are spirit like? Hornets nest makes tokens when it gets hit. Just like in real life when you hit a hornet nest. When you Raise the alarm soldiers come. What is spirit like? They are straight up physical forms, real soldiers, real hornets. You realize you are arguing against that. How is a token spirit like, but Brimaz, Agros Kos or any other card are not?

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    I’m saying they’ve been flavored that way in the past, hence the references to the cards which have done so.

  • free the eternal

    There is the ability to read a few vague sentences and manipulate them as you feel. That is a useless talent, next are you going to bring in statistics. A real talent is the ability to have a grip on reality. Tokens are not formless, not spirits (unless they are a spirit token), or anything but the real deal whatever the type is. That is why there are types.

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    I’m sorry, but I don’t understand how the art, name, and flavor text of those two cards don’t give that impression.
    At this point it seems like your argument is simply “you’re stupid and wrong”.
    Can we stop?

  • free the eternal

    So do you think the world is flat or round. I feel like I’m trying to prove the world is round, to someone who thinks it is flat. Words get manipulated all the time, example: holy crusades, terrorism, ect. They manipulate the words of a book to fit. Just as you are doing.

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    Oh, so we agree, excellent.

  • xy

    i just want to thank both of you for a really humorous thread. it accomplished nothing except making me laugh at the foolishness of the internet. well done.

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    *bows*