• Sani

    Alright this is it, this is good!

  • MrAptronym

    I am a fan of this. Ultimate looks like a lot of fun, though I will probably never see it. I like the little weakness for the +1. Good protection, and kills a surprising number of 2/1 annoyances.

  • Edward

    That emblem is so good. No matter what you get 2 zombies and at least and that is only the bare minimum.

  • George Zamyatin

    This will go great in my zombie edh

  • Jazzyboy1

    Proliferating zombies. Nice.

    That +1 is a bit disappointing, but pretty useful against some aggro decks.

  • Poro Vlad

    oh my god Lilian and her Oath are perfect in my Gisa EDH *_*

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    After all those fakes this looks fake too.
    Okay card though.

    • ye

      I see that art now and I can’t help but think fake.

      As for the card, it’s balanced. +1 is good, -2 is average utility, and ultimate is awesome but a bit slow and difficult to get to without Doubling Season.

      Still, on turn 3 this will be more than sufficient.

      • MTG fan

        Mtg posted this…

        • ye

          I know it’s real. I just can’t stop thinking of it as fake.

          • MTG fan

            True it could of been better. Maybe an emblem not requiring zombies to make zombies each turn. Like, 5 each turn.

  • Overlord Payne

    I keep getting bled by 1/1 or 2/1 flyers i can’t block, and her +1 will be a huge help for that, add in that her -7 is basically a stronger Endless Ranks of the Dead (and probably stacks with that), and I’m sold

  • Garrison Tran

    i feel like her +1 should be more lethal like -0/-3 or something

    • Garrison Tran

      or at least -2/-2 since zombies are 2/2

      • Sani

        She makes zombies and not kill them. The ability does though make eldrazi horror tokens into eldrazi scion tokens without the mana ability.

  • jochen hendrickx

    Finally! I wanted an ultimate like that for Lilly for years now

  • Stinker289

    Some people I know are going to hate this card, just because they hate it when numbers and letters mix.

  • zDRIBAS

    this feels like a pseudo reprint from wizards … but in my opinion is a “liliana of the veil light” since the plus is a pseudo removal or protection and the minus also ivolves condition, but is sure playable in modern!

  • Dominic Ng

    Her ult is not Endless Ranks of the Dead, her ult is DOUBLE of it then PLUS 2. Endless Ranks of the Dead is not even a close comparison in terms of power level.

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    It ain’t broken, but it’s solid, and perfect for my Gisa and Geralf EDH.

  • Tolle

    I love her -2. But I honestly hate planeswalkers who’s plus ability is basically there to protect them. The odds of you ultimating them is slim either way. I want to get some value out of their plus ability. At least this one could POSSIBLY kill a creature. But still, would have at least preferred -1/-2.

    • Asghaad

      i dont thing one creature getting -2 will protect much …

  • Chaospyke

    OH MY BABY!

  • Sebastian Fuchs

    i think her second is with -2 very cost intensive… should be -1. dont liker her first ability… more an ability for the current standard then anywhere else

    • TogetherAlone

      Considering that cards are made for standard should you be surprised? They don’t make or balance cards for other formats in the blocks and I wouldn’t have it any other way tbh.

      • JmLyan

        They do make cards aimed for other formats, they just don’t do playtesting for those formats. Commander is a good example of cards being made more or less exclusively for in standard sets.

        • TogetherAlone

          I said in the blocks, as in standard cards. Im not talking about specialty sets like commander and the masters sets.

          • Sebastian Fuchs

            i know what u talking about. And im also talking for the standard blocks

          • JmLyan

            I never mentioned supplemental sets. I said that many cards in standard sets are made almost entirely for the Commander format, although I see how my choice of words could be misinterpreted.

      • Sebastian Fuchs

        Actually that´s not complete true. They´re always situational cards in sets. Those will rarly see standard (hight cost, dificult to cast and more) but impacts other formats. Sure the mayority is created for standard, but now for lili: is she good? 3 mana PW kills a 1cost creature or criple a 2 cost… token decks dont care about one creature is lost. Control-decks dont care about her, they burn her with 1cmc called calbanic bombardment. und if opponent doesnt have a creature on bord u will +1 u own creature then?

        • I.R.Shnow

          “UP to one creature”… it took a me a while to realize why it was worded that way..

    • Asghaad

      She should cost 4

      She should have that mill/gravedig on +1

      and -2/-1 for ALL creatures untill next turn on -2

      then she would be a good PW, as she is now she is waste of cardslot

  • Asghaad

    well this is dissapointing

    +1 wont kill anything but 1 toughness tokens, cant be used in combat as a trick and is generally most useless ability i have aever seen on planeswhalker …

    -2 feels lacking, mill 2 then take one card back for -2 on PW that ups only by one ? on useless ability ? sigh

    and for people salivating about ultimate… when will you learn that PW ults are NOT what planeswalkers are about, ulting Liliana would mean 5 consecutive turns without using her second ability and without taking single point of damage … it aint going to happen… if it does you were winning anyway so yay for winning more ? ….

    • TogetherAlone

      her first ability is until next turn. It affects two combats… Its fine. Her second ability you “may” take a card. it is overcosted however

      • Asghaad

        who cares ? if you play 2/2s you have way more than 1, if you play bigger creatures (T3 can see Smasher being played …) you dont care …

        she is basically 3 mana grave draw… and thats dissapointing to say the least

        • TogetherAlone

          in what format because this is certainly a standard only card? In standard you are not seeing a turn 3 Smasher, ever…

          • Asghaad

            T1 land + Blistepod, T2 land + attack with blister, if blocked you have scion on board, cast warping wail, T3 land + sac two scions, summon Smasher …

            yes it requires your opponent to block Blisterpod, but it IS possible even in standard

    • Kevan Kramer

      You never seen Tiblat than. Her plus 1 is awesome in the same way Jace, AOT or flip jace plus is awesome. She reminds me of flip Jace alot because people are hating on her before she sees play.

      • Asghaad

        except flip Jace has self mill combined with card draw ( not creature from graveyard which is way more limited) as his enabler, not the whole point of the card and allows you to replay any instant or sorcery from graveyard

        power level here isnt even comparable …

        I would love to have flipjace for my Niv-Mizzet EDH deck, but for this Liliana i cant fin ANY use whatsoever aside of sealed …

        • Kevan Kramer

          It is good enough to see standard play.

    • Kaiser

      For a 3 mana mono color walker kill something with +1 is just too much powerfull. This is actually pretty decent. For -2 take a creature form graveyard and self mill mmm…its fine, it would be awesome a tutor -x or something better but this is a flavor ability for sure. The ulti is just perfect for her. Not the best liliana but this isnt a pure control black walker unlike the others versions of liliana, i like to see something different this time.

      • Asghaad

        should be reversed, +1 should be mill + draw from grave, -2 should be -2/-1 to all creatures

        • Kaiser

          -2/-1 to ALL creatures is just too strong even for -2, basically is -2 kill all a bunch of tokens, half the damage and survivability of the enemy board. At Least for -3. Is a early planeswalker, isnt supposed to be relevant in late game. Play her in turn 2-4 still can give good things. And if you can ult you probably win the late game.

        • Jazzyboy1

          That would be way too powerful. She’d be both the ultimate graveyard fuel and the ultimate recursion engine. Dredge, self-mill, and other decks that make use of the graveyard, would just be broken.

    • Melissa Juice

      +1 is absolutely not designed to kill things. It’s mainly for protection.

  • Steel Dom

    I absolutely dig how gorgeous she is portrayed on her new cards! That she is not as strong as Liliana of the Veil is a good thing to me because that means I can probably get her for about 10$ whereas Lotv costs about 120$.

  • NC

    Better art than Veil at least.

  • Kevan Kramer

    She reminds me of flip Jace in a lot of ways, getting so much hate before being played. Some people need to RTFC better. Her plus 1 is until your next turn, which means she protects herself. You want PW to protect themselves

  • Just a Fish

    I don’t think people understand the flavor behind her +1. It puts one of the many 3/2 eldrazi horrors that her zombies are supposed to be fighting into a range where they no longer trade with her zombies but just die instead

  • Arcus Diabolus

    I would have hoped that you could run this in a superfriends deck involving the other members of the gate watch, but her ult really does need you to be playing strictly zombies.

    • MrAptronym

      I wouldn’t judge a planeswalker mostly off of the ult, they rarely come into play. In any case it is still 2 zombies, then 4 more, then 6 more. Its not as flashy as some ults if you aren’t playing zombies, but it is a constant pressure.

      • Matt86

        Yeah, good thing her +1 and -2 also do nothing of note…

        • MrAptronym

          Both seem excellent to me on a 3CMC walker. I think she is pretty powerful.

          • Matt86

            Seriously? -2/-1 on one creature will do nothing to protect her, and the graveyard recursion is to ones hand, so it’s way too slow.

          • MrAptronym

            Seriously. There are plenty of board states where a -2/-1 can make a difference, and it can indeed protect her. Also, when you have something in your graveyard that you really want, or you’d otherwise be out of a play for a turn, having a card back to your hand without spending a card is pretty nice.

            She costs three mana, she isn’t supposed to have abilities on par with a four or five mana planeswalker, and I think for her cost she has a nice set of tools.

          • Matt86

            She has to measure up to Liliana of the veil, so she looks worse in comparison than another three mana walker would. Given she is menat to defeat Emrakul, flavour-wise, I would’ve preferred something more expensive, mana-wise, with more impact

          • MrAptronym

            She shouldn’t have to match up to Liliana of the Veil though. That card is clearly too powerful.

            We don’t really know how the battle with Emrakul goes, beyond the fact that Lili summons a lot of zombies and at some point Emmy is sealed somewhere (presumably the titular moon). Personally I don’t have issues with her being a cheaper card, the mana-costs are usually set by other factors as well. (e.g. Making sure key cards have a place in probable decks)

  • Kaiser

    NOW THIS IS A PLANESWALKER

  • YTRJD

    Eh…I preferred the fake from yesterday.

    • Melissa Juice

      The fake was horrible. Totally unbalanced. This is excellent.

      • YTRJD

        And yet…I still prefer the fake from yesterday.

  • Phoenix UNBENCHED

    First off, she’s stunning. Gorgeous artwork. Gotta love that stance.
    Though, I feel kinda torn with Liliana fighting Emrakul. It’s like my female best friend duking it out with my girlfriend. I love them both too much! It’s tearing me apart, but at the same time I get to witness the ultimate cat fight.
    I LOVE this card. She protects herself (if not kill the thing), self-mills, and if they don’t deal with her she swarms them with zombies.
    Both Liliana and Emrakul fit perfectly in the BG delirium deck I already play, which is my JAM.
    God bless ‘Murica.
    Also, there are at least two zombies in the picture staring at her backside xD

  • Tövar Strid

    Trash, 5 USD cards after she rotates out.

    • Dr. Burn Crow

      Good.

  • DRACHIR

    Artwork: beautiful, i like the colors of her dress and her gesture
    +1: stronger than it looks, i like it. At least in Standard
    -2: overcosted conditional card draw is not what i need
    -7: overcosted and not strong enough. you need to +1 four times and even then your emblem takes 2 turns before it is even worth it

    Unfortunately she is useless.. even in my Zombie Commander Deck :/
    She will see only niche play in Standard i suppose..

    • Urdothor

      I like the -2 in my Meren deck. Fill my graveyard, and card draw I will almost certainly get.
      Works well.
      All in all, its okay. If I draw one, I’ll test her out. I wont go out of my way to buy her, but eh.

    • Kaiser

      She cant be compared with other lilianas 2 and 3 mana walkers ever are “weak” she can be work better than she looks

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      If that emblem isn’t giving you at least 5 zombies the first turn its out you’re playing zombies wrong.

  • Nelson Chandra

    wtf she can’t do anything to emrakul. Design fail.

    • Kaiser

      She cant be design just for counter emrakul. In fact she is the exactly opposed to emrakul, a early adventage walker that scales very well in mid game.

      • Sebastian Fuchs

        what kind of adventage? that she kills a thopter?

        • Kaiser

          Self mill in zombie deck makes tokens for free, her -2 actually protec her too. The ulti is just epic. Yeah this is not a liliana that you can put in all type of black decks, problem? we have a LOT of control b planeswalkers. I am happy see something different. What you expect of her in this set? another control one?…boring and for 3 mana liliana of the veil have probably the most “strong” abilitys for a black control walker so if they focus her in be more late game she would be worse than this.

          • Sebastian Fuchs

            well… a 3 mana pw in black that doenst even handle a thraben inspector or a town gossipmonger makes me feel sad. well atleast shes better then tibalt

          • Kaiser

            Well she was not designed to kill things so its normal. What i like of this card is the zombie sinergy, Two of her Three options are Zombie-matters, in fact this is really relevant in a zombie deck. Yeah zombie decks are not the most broken things but not all the walkers can be designed to be good in any deck, that is my point on this card. A lot of people is just -not angry but- skeptics cause this is not another “put in any black” and i really cant understand what is the point in that logic, seriusly i just cant Probably because i can see the other lilianas more worhty for that job, flavor cards are nice too.

            Plus: this probably go to be a budget walker for Zombie decks, cause…well you just go to put this in a zombie deck, that is a extra.

          • Sebastian Fuchs

            i understand the zombie synergy but u must go 5 times + for her ultimate, its a long way without using her second ability.

          • Kaiser

            Her second ability in zombie decks will generate zombies for sure. We have one or two enchant and creatures that create zombies whenever you put a card un the graveyard, this put two, then take one. But yes, for a 5 star walker Tamiyo is what you want to see in this set. Actually this is my favorite Liliana cause…i love zombie decks -not a plotwist for sure-

    • Melissa Juice

      In the story, she doesn’t solo kill Emrakul. That would be stupid.

      • Nelson Chandra

        You’d think the last hope would lend something that makes victory at least feasible. Her horde of zombies can’t even block it. I suppose her +1 can take it from 13/13 to 11/12. Thank goodness Liliana was here.

  • Blahblahblahbla

    Garbage. Utter disappointment.

    • Asghaad

      unless someone finds a way to break it with some combo, this will be jank mythic of the set …

      • Blahblahblahbla

        There are no cards ever printed that would cause an infinite combo with this card, i promise you. :p

        • MrAptronym

          Non-infinite combos exist too. She isn’t much of a combo card though.

          • Blahblahblahbla

            That’s called a synergy.

          • MrAptronym

            Nope, it’s also called a combo. Plenty of great combos are non-infinite. Lots of combo decks, probably most, do not go infinite. A good example would be scapeshift. Definitely a combo deck, but 100% not infinite.

      • Sebastian Fuchs

        i dont even would waste a counterspell on her ^^*

      • MrAptronym

        I am going to call this out as a post to look back on in a couple months :P

        I think she is fine, we’ll see how it turns out.

    • Melissa Juice

      This is excellent and about as powerful as most Lili cards.

      • Blahblahblahbla

        Tell me that again in a month when you’re frowning at your playset going, “why wasn’t this as good as i had hoped?”. :p

        • Blahblahblahbla

          To be fair, this could do work in this particular meta game of standard since white weenies is the thing right this moment, but it’s a flop in any other format and most standard metas that have ever been or ever will be.

        • Melissa Juice

          Luckily, I’m a limited/commander/casual player mainly , so I’m safe!

        • Well, it’s been a month, and I think everyone that has a playset is pretty happy that it was as good as they had hoped.

  • marcuses

    even worse than the fake one.

    • MTG fan

      Fake one was broken in every way. Choosing a creature to eliminate even with indestructible is just obnoxious. Besides, the real one protects herself as well

  • Sadsad

    They could at least make her ultimate feel more like last hope . A better endless rank of the dead? That’s all???? When it is not easily abusable and I need 4 turrns to do it ??? They could at least give rise of the dark realms effect , dissapointing….

  • Liam Hector

    her ult is sweet, the -2 is kinda expensive, and while her +1 can kill creatures early game, and weaken then late game .. shes a mono-colored 3 drop PW so it makes sense (but compared to other 3 drop Liliana super meh)

  • DCM

    Usually planeswalkers has advantage effect for (+) and removal effect for (-).
    It seems Wizards trying to reverse the design, but well… it turns out quite bad…

    Practically the “landmine” Mythic on this set.

  • Jason Tan

    Look at all the haters because this isn’t another Liliana of the Veil or Jace, the Mind Sculptor. I personally would be happy to pull this from a pack. This is what I call a well balanced card. Three mana to disable a creature or return a creature from your graveyard to your hand(Eternal Witness anyone?) is fine by me. My soon to be Gisa and Geralf EDH will love this card along with the Oath.

  • Zombie

    Still pretty boring, but at least it’s more interesting than the fake version that was leaked.

    Having a miniature Wring Flesh for her +1 is okay, I’d rather it have been either the true -3/-1 or -1/-2 though. Only giving -1 to toughness really doesn’t leave many things for Liliana to be capable of killing, and it leads me to believe she won’t be useful anywhere but Constructed from this ability’s very limited scope alone.

    All things considered her +1 is very weak.

    Her -2 is alright considering the theme of Standard and the decks she would fit in, but this ability can’t be played on the curve/the turn you play her, and as a result is incredibly slow recursion.

    As for her ultimate, it’s basically a better Endless Ranks of the Dead, which is a pretty mediocre card but can snowball slowly, this starts the snowball much faster.

    As far as ultimates go, though, it’s also pretty weak. It takes time to get rolling and it relies on you keeping zombies on the table. So it’s pretty win-more.

    All things said and done I’d give this a 4/10. Unless there’s some broken interactions I’m missing I don’t see this really impacting any format, even Standard.

    • Urdothor

      Well, flavor wise, the +1’s pretty good. It allows your generally 2/2 zombies to kill the 3/2 eldrazi horror’s without trading, so more zombies will survive till you ult her.

      • Zombie

        Flavor makes me like cards, but flavor doesn’t win games.

  • munkeemanometal

    At first I was underwhelmed. Then I read it again and realised her +1 is a strictly better version of Baby Jace’s +1. Then I realised her -2 is like a creature version of Jace’s -3 but better in that there’s no exile and it fuels itself (as does Jace’s creature side). Then I realised her ultimate might often be faster thatn Jace’s (although admittedly with less inevitability). Then I realised that she works pretty well in tandem with said Jace even though what they care about, i.e. spells and creatures in the grave, is completely different (which I thought was kind of a huge flavour win). Not too sure exactly what to make of all that, but I think there’s probably a lot to be made.

  • justindeltora

    still a 3 drop but not busted gj wizards

  • Dr Bear

    Well….I like the art….

  • Kahai

    Honestly wish they had used the same artist from the Oath. I love the Oath Liliana. She is very elegant. IDK what i don’t like about this one. hmmm

    • Ashenmoor

      She is very beautiful in that art

  • Cullen Straut

    Leaves a lot to be desired. The ultimate is good, but don’t see it happening.

  • Nanya

    Knew she’d be in this set.

    Don’t know if i want her or not though.

  • Nanya

    Also, if she’s the last hope, we are TOTALLY screwed!

    • Hedronal

      She’s been on Innistrad using her own loyalty abilities for awhile, so it’s not like the Gatewatch have to wait the full five turns for her ultimate. That, or it’s a multiplayer game, and the Emrakul player isn’t looking at them.

  • Magus of the nooB

    I don’t like where this set is going. The only card i will buy is the Tamiyo planeswalker.

    • Dr. Burn Crow

      Good.

      • Magus of the nooB

        Will you marry me? :p

        • Dr. Burn Crow

          Nah.

  • Zek Drakon

    I wish +1 was -2/-2 cause that power and toughness of Zombie. The + 1 if it was killed or -3 itmight be tad powerful when you can dark Ritual into it in Other formats as it is not going paralysis early game so +1 is understandable -2 good for deck that like that mechanics ultimate takes 4 plus one which we know other ways to add counters on permanent like Proliferate which is artifact and blue main source which works in blue black Zombie especially unbreathing hoard and Diregraf colossus get bigger. At worst it distraction if ignored pay price if target might buy you 1 to 2 turn matter on scenario.

  • Melissa Juice

    Wow. Great design. The +1 is especiallly elegant.
    Great art as well.

  • Fletcher

    She’s not great, but I don’t think she is the worst Planeswalker out there. Her +1 at the very least lasts until your next turn, so even if it can’t kill one of your opponent’s creatures, it can keep it out of combat by making it too weak to either deal damage, or effectively trade. Her -2 seems solid for Standard at least. You really need to build around that -2 to make the most out of it. Her -7 is certainly good if you can get to it. Whether its game ending or not is another story. I’d be perfectly happy opening her in a pack, and I might pick up a copy or two if she ends up being cheap.

  • Derek Niles

    meh.

  • xcver

    The hating here reminds me a lot of 3 Mana Nissan where a lot of ppl were initially dissapointed

    • MrAptronym

      The comments here are, generally, pretty terrible predictors of a card’s actual strength. (myself included) Just in recent memory, people called most of the Delve cards trash, they called Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy trash. Not to say people don’t get it right, but the more complicated the card is the worse a predictor the comments are. I would basically not trust the comments when it comes to planeswalkers. What they show is the hype level. Given how many people were wishing for a Lili of the Veil reprint, people are going to be down on the card. Similarly, cards people have been waiting for and Johnny style effects tend to get overestimated power-wise it seems.

      Now, I am not psychic, but I think its a pretty good card though and being undervalues by people who are comparing it in their heads to a broken card. I could be wrong, but I hardly think this is the absolute junk people think it is.

      • Summer is Coming

        My biggest complaint regarding this card is not its power level. I think it is a good card and excellently costed. I am more concerned with the amount of good zombies in the format to go along with this card. Nissa was underwhelming until the release of avacyn and wesvale abbey took token decks over the top. I think Liliana needs some more support to make her great

        • MrAptronym

          lili can recur any creature back to your hand though, zombies are only useful towards her ultimate, which (as is usually the case) is a pretty niche thing you don’t need to build specifically around.

  • Jacob Anderson

    Do you think this card is good even if your not running any zombies? I think it could be good in my Delirium deck, but then again i don’t have that many creatures in that deck so if i play this turn 3 there is a good chance i won’t even have a creature to get back with her -2. I do think i want to run more Planeswalkers in it tho since i’m wanting to run Emrakul and right now am only using just 1 Ob, it would be pretty sexy to play Emrakul for 6 mana tho.

  • Son Goku

    I still want to make a mono-black Zombie deck, and I want to find a way to use her. I mean, I have Heretical Healer, so that might be a better option, but I’d like to figure out a good way to use her. Dark Ritual would help, since getting her out on Turn 1 (especially if you go first) gives you a chance to build up a bit. We’ll see. I know people who complained about Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy at first, and then he turned into a Standard-dominating dynamo, so, maybe something will come up for this. Maybe we’ll get some more good Zombie support in the remaining cards.

    Reminds me: I still want to find a way to make Endless Ranks of the Dead work for me. Love that card. The art, the flavor, just awesome. If only I could find a way to make Zombie horde-style work WITH resilience-style!

    • Carlos

      You can do a swarm zombie deck with graveyard matters and Lilly, TLH plus ERODD as grindy wincons. If you do, pack some Elixirs of Inmmortality for survivality and mill prevention.
      lol, I just had an ephifany.

      • Son Goku

        What is ERODD? Sounds eroddic! I’m in! Especially with that new Liliana art for TLH and her Oath. *shivers* Ahem. Anyway. How would you build that kind of deck?

        • Carlos

          Graveyard matters would include Gravecrawlers and Gurmag Anglers (Sadly, Tasigur didn’t became a zig-zig). I don’t think you can pack estrict reanimation, but there are cards which will let you keep tempo/steam, like Relentless Dead. Also avoid colorless so you don’t get stuck with XBB, XBBB or even BB cards. Most important thing would be to carry comeback mechanics, such as Kalitas, TOG, Phyrexian Obliberator and Frigging Damnation. Finally, you can carry Scar Lands to sideboard as Dimir or Rakdos. Or just go with DREDGE.

  • Winter Trabex

    I just found the final piece of my vampire deck. Hello sweetie.

  • Bige Boiy

    “I wanted another Liliana of the Veil” -every comment section
    pearls before swine

  • chad

    I think it’s funny WOTC is pushing zombies, yet there is no reanimate in the format … zombies won’t be a thing.

    • Daniel Kaine Allen

      Shamble back is basically reanimate, just not at instant speed. Besides, they’re really more about flavor than anything.

    • Bige Boiy

      zombies are about swarm, not reanimation

      • chad

        You need to look back at zombies in legacy it’s all about reanimate since zombies are so small, you need to reanimate them to put pressure on your opponent. Swarming them is late game.

        • Dr. Burn Crow

          The game done change. Swarm is the dish of the day.

  • Psyren

    I think this card is fine. It won’t escape standard, but I don’t think it deserves all the hate. Yea, the +1 seems a little underpowered, but I think the card will more follow the line of a downgraded Jace, architect of thought. People will use it more for for the -2 and then plus it, only to minus it again. The ultimate will be more to secure the game that your already ahead in or are already controlling. I’ll give it a C+. Not the best, but has more utility and uses than most people are giving it credit for.

  • PunTellingPuma

    Liliana is the legend she never dies
    Well what is it

    • Gareth Martin

      I don’t know any definition of legend that is used that requires the person to be dead. Is it common to talk about dead people as legends? Sure, but isn’t required.

    • Ammuze

      Don’t worry, I got the joke.

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    Reminds me of Liliana of the Dark Realms, in the sense that people hate it but I’ll end up using it as a staple in my EDH deck.
    Give me your hot garbage. I welcome the Last Hope.

    • Kaiser

      Hail liliana the spaghettislayer

  • Fred Weasley

    This is definitely going in my Zombie deck. Since I usually have a lot of zombies out anyway, she’ll make my deck even more appealing. Her ult plus Diregraf Colossus out is basically winning on your next turn.

    • FootlessRhino

      diregraf procs only when you cast a zombie spell. would her ult be considered as a spell?

      • Fred Weasley

        No, it wouldn’t be considered as casting a spell, just an effect. What I meant was you have Diregraf Colossus out on the field making your tokens on turn 3 and then while you’re doing Liliana’s +1 for the next few turns starting on turn 4, you continue to make tokens with Diregraf by casting other zombies and then when you get her ult ready, you’ll have as many tokens plus zombies you have on the field doubled plus two because of Liliana’s effect, then the next turn if you don’t get Declaration in Stone’d or Languished or similar, you swing with all of them and win. The way I see it, after using her ult, your opponent has one turn left most of the time. If you don’t win that turn for some reason, you’ll then keep doubling your tokens every turn, swarming your opponent with zombies.

  • kmk888

    Many planeswalkers are about context. I maintain that Nissa, VoZ is mediocre at best in a vacuum but her synergy with Secure the Wastes, Westvale Abbey, and in particular Gideon make her quite good in the GW deck.

    Now we are looking at another 3 mana walker that may seem underwhelming on the surface but prove to be exactly the redundancy and flexibility black creature decks such as Zombies or GB need. I don’t know the exact mix of cards that would make her work but she certainly has a future in Standard.

    Her +1 is pretty decent at protecting herself and pushing damage through even if it just shrinks sylvan advocates. But the times when Lili gets to enter play and tick up to actually kill a creature you can probably rest assured she has already paid for herself (given that the opponent will need to use resources to get rid of her still).

    The -2 ensures that she will likely only be played in creature heavy decks, but the reward of milling yourself for more selection and then rebuying your best threat ensures that it’s worth it too. I don’t believe this ability really needs explanation, it’s very good.

    The ult, although unlikely to come up, will rapidly end the game in your favor even if you start with no zombies. 2 > 6 > 14 > 30

    So all in all, while not exceedingly powerful in one area, she’s well worth playing for 3 mana in the right deck.

  • Driven

    Even with a zombie deck, it’s not expected that she last very long, especially if she shows up in the late game.

  • Deadly Berry

    Wonderful artwork 10/10, aside from that not much. The +1 is way too one-sided, it might greatly hinder one creature, but other than that how is this useful vs control? Obnoxious. It affects your creatures in an indirect way since weak opposing creatures are less of a threat to yours, but still I don’t see it being that game changing unless your opponent relies on low P/T creatures aka Aggro, something Zombies deck didn’t have a problem to deal with in the first place; you already should have swarms of zombies to block/stall. The -2 is useful and gives some card advantage, not that much game-changing either but I guess Zombies can’t complain about it. The last ability is what seals her as a Zombies-only planeswalker.

    In standard this will definitely take a slot in any Zombies deck, just because using Ob Nixilis (5 cmc) would be awkward. Aside from standard the Veil Lili is still infinitely superior, even for a zombies themed deck.

  • Happy The Cat

    you know what this reminds me of? Jace, Architect of Thought. that +1 is a board stall that can result in your creatures trading up. that -2 is for when you need the value but are under pressure and will help you get back board control. that ult will happen more often than a normal planeswalker because she sitting in a control deck as your win condition. she will work well in a fast/hard control deck as J,AoT did, however with white or green aggro decks being so popular anything that she can’t kill will plow through her quickly. she’ll handle weenie decks pretty well but the Bant/Selesnya aggro CoCo decks will easly take her down.
    In a vacuum, she beats J,AoT. in their own standard environments Jace was much better than she will be.(then again Jace did have that Inni/RtR USA control deck that has only changed about 8 cards since it moved to modern)

  • Urdothor

    The +1 allows 2/2 zombies to kill 3/2 Eldrazi Horror’s without your zombies dying. Seems flavorful enough.

  • zexy swami

    I know it looks underwhelming, but this card is going to be insane. This + Sylvan Advocate is going to be very important. Locking down their Advocate means you can attack profitably, and they can’t attack back. Also, it naturally leads to playing two spells in one turn on turn 5 on. Playing this, getting back a Sylvan Advocate and then playing a 4/5 in the same turn is going to be brutal. Will also be good with Nissa, Vastwood Seer and Tireless Tracker.

  • Bige Boiy

    She’s very similar to another recent walker: Nissa. They both cost 3, have an ability that protects themselves, and are being heavily underrated by noobs :)

  • Vizzerdrix

    This card looks fun, kinda want it in sidisi for the-2, emblem would be nice as well it’s very strong

  • Bacon

    This card will do work in standard, you’ll see.

  • kk

    People are underestimating this card… Like they did with Jace.

    Her +1 fogs 3 power creatures.. and gives burn more reach. ( 2 damage can kill 3 toughness creatures)

    Combos very well with Cards like Jace or Snapcaster mage… ( filling the graveyard and returning utility creatures)

  • Filip Krajnović

    any planeswalker that has a + ability that protects itself is great, a three mana one even more so. A balanced and very playable walker.

  • TheDarkJediKnight

    My third booster (outside of a deck builder set three card set seasons ago) and she was in it, also she is my first Plainswalker, additionally, with the theme of my deck being Swamp is played as a last ditch effort, her card name makes perfect sense as a token-themed deck.