• Jazzyboy1

    Wow, Wizards must really hate 8-rack.

    • Poro Vlad

      :’C

    • Happy The Cat

      but they are still locked into whatever cards they had, as long as they don’t have a way to break your racks in their hand you should win and get to know what they will be drawing. also you could sideboard in Deny Reality or Boomerangs or some land hate to deal with this.

      • Robert FakeLastName

        ghost quater.

      • Arcus Diabolus

        Its a may effect, so they can choose to discard normally.

  • Nharzhool

    ooooh! Yes! I want me some of this.

  • Jiří Strokosz

    I do not like it

  • Garrison Tran

    that sounds like its gonna backfire at somepoint

    • Arcus Diabolus

      Its a may effect, so they can chose to ignore it and discard stuff they don’t need. Theres no point were this will back fire, I think.

  • Dominic Ng

    I am assuming this to get played in some old formats

  • Chaospyke

    A very nice card. That ‘may’ ability seals the deal. Its rare that I wouldn’t want to retrieve a card but never know when it could be useful.

  • TogetherAlone

    Can you use this in miracles?? Use this to set up a miracle off a discard? I’m not a legacy player, I’m just curious.

    • Anthony Miller

      As long as an opponent forces you to discard it, yes.

  • Asghaad

    if only this wasnt specific to opponent caused discard …

    • Robert FakeLastName

      legacy miracles would likely have a new face on the block in that case. btw library of leng.

      • Asghaad

        i know of lang. thats why i dont understand why they couldnt make this rare or even mythic and give it a real utility aside of hand mill protection

  • Phoenix UNBENCHED

    Well this is just anti- anti- fun. Which is not fun.

    • Liam Hector

      but anti- anti-fun = fun (because its anti-unfun things) take that black discard

  • Charles-David Forest-Le Noir

    I see that as 1x in the deck and 1-2x in sideboard depending on the meta. I like.

  • Liam Hector

    this land is sweet, library of leng type effect for a land that kinda nerfs cards like thoughtseize, waste not, Liliana discard … etc

    • Arcus Diabolus

      This doesn’t merely nerf discard. It arguably hard counters it for as long as you have it on the field.

      • Asghaad

        it still puts you at card disadvantage as you still have to draw the card again.

        I use Library of Leng in my Niv-mizzet EDH deck because it has a lot of draw/discard effects in it – for which Library works wonders as you can discard only what you want, put the rest on top and draw it immediatelly again. thats why im mildly miffed they went only halfway on this one, having same effect on land would be pretty nice for that deck

        • Arcus Diabolus

          Still means you can’t get rid of someone’s win con or any other valuables that could make things really bad really fast.

  • David S. McCrae

    My question is: is the card still considered “discarded”, or does this effect supersede and replace the actual act of discarding the cards? Because from the way this sounds, this effect just changes where the card goes once it is discarded.

    • Arcus Diabolus

      yes, this does not change the fact that the card is discarded.

      • David S. McCrae

        Excellent. So my. Modern Discard deck is not too terribly affected by the existence of this card. It just gives my opponent options for what to do with their cards.

        • Arcus Diabolus

          Still means you can’t get rid of their win con tho, just delay it.

          • David S. McCrae

            Oh, I’m definitely not denying the power of this card, nor the fact that it can make my discard victories an uphill battle. But the amount of damage and advantage I can squeak out in a single has outraced and outweighed my opponents efforts on numerous occasions. Ive even fought through and overcome against Leyline of Sanctity a few times as well. Its totally possible, just a little harder.

  • Son Goku

    Oh man, this is … brutal. I mean just brutal. It’s almost as bad as having Leyline of Sanctity out against a discard deck.

    • MrAptronym

      It’s definitely not THAT bad.

      • Son Goku

        Yeah, thinking about it, it still counts as having discarded the card for any effects that look for that. And they are still forced to reveal the card if they want to keep it. But it still hurts discard quite a bit, and like Leyline it’s easily playable in any deck.

  • Melissa Juice

    Whoa. This is crazy. So (niche) powerful.

  • Devon Ronald MacInnis

    this makes a great modern card

  • Steven Wallace

    Oh, hi Library of Leng

    • Bostorket

      Landbrary of Leng

  • Kevin Johnstone

    LOVE the fact this is at UNCOMMON <3

  • MrAptronym

    I don’t know, I play black discard (infect flavor, yes I know it is not optimal, its not too competitive a landscape near me) and I don’t think this is really indomitable. I can’t keep one of their cards away, true, but they are stuck with this in their mana base and I am sure some decks still can’t handle that slowdown. This card seems best in decks that have a clear threat, one or two major wincons. I think it is really fair as far as hate goes, some can just be unfun… but why are we getting dedicated hate for a B-tier deck (at best)? This kind of seems to punish the fringe versions of the deck more than bog standard 8-rack. If I am right about that, then that is a negative feature.

  • Samuel Jurewicz

    not that impressive. the only thing that this does against discard is break down some of it’s stall.

  • Vizzerdrix

    It’s definitely interesting don’t know that it’s super useful

  • Tragic

    Well, it’s interesting, but against a deck like 8-Rack, they’re still losing that card, and that’s all that matters. 8-Rack doesn’t care as much about what is being discarded, rather the amount of cards in the player’s hand. Still a cool card though.

  • JLawsl

    While its true that this may only stall a discard deck, I think a lot of people are missing the “may” part of the card. If you want to draw a new card, you can just not trigger this ability. There are plenty of staples in modern that would also allow the player to scry away the card if needed, or draw it and then scry. Its not going to break discard decks into being worthless. Early game is where its going to be most useful, later on, its probably a dead draw. I think fast aggro decks would benefit from this more then mid-ranged decks. If someone wants to make you discard a 1 or two drop, you are just going to draw it again and play it. If you have to get rid of something that cost more, its very situational as to whether you would want to keep it on top or send it to the graveyard. I think its balanced, but not game breaking.

  • silverhawk100

    Interesting. Force your opponent to either set you back a card, or take the crappiest thing they think they can get away with. Does this mean they’re gonna try putting some of Jund’s tools back in modern?