• Kitnz

    Hahahaha I love this! A great EDH addition for white decks that have no counter synergies.

  • TogetherAlone

    This is too slow for modern right?..Right? wait is infect even still a thing?

    • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

      It might stop the counters on Lightning Storm from the Ad Nauseam deck, and Druid combo. But yes, it is a little slow for Modern.

  • Spyboy

    RIP so many things

    • Jonathan Reynolds

      RIP my Ezuri deck. Thank goodness I just changed my Atraxa to Superfriends.

  • Dada

    Dark Depths ?

  • Jonathan Reynolds

    Oh good, another card that combos with Dark Depths — because it’s been so long since we got one.

    –Repeat for Devoted Druid.– EDIT: I’m wrong. Ignore the Devoted Druid line.

    • Writerofthings

      Doesn’t work for Devoted Druid. It shuts down the infinite mana combo. And the archangel of thune combo.

      • Jonathan Reynolds

        Opps. You are correct.

  • Aurore

    Looking for Planeswalkers… Planeswalkers… Planeswalkers…

    …Cool. Thanks wizards, I guess superfriends is still a fine deck to play. I thought the Gatewatch was gonna lose this battle?

  • Desthian

    Oh Lord Jesuschrist

  • Lodovico Grandi

    But, with Thing in the Ice and Dark depths, how this will work?

    • Jonathan Reynolds

      Well.

      • Jonathan Reynolds

        More specifically, Dark Depths will instantly sac itself and you will get a 20/20 flying indestructible. Thing in the Ice will still require you to cast a single instant or sorcery to transform.

    • AndyZ

      I believe (but don’t quote me on this) it won’t affect those because the text says “enters the battlefield with X counters”, they aren’t “put” on the creature.

      • Lodovico Grandi

        you’re right man!

        • JMK

          No, wrong. If a permanent enters the battlefield with counters, its put onto the battlefield first and counters are put onto it afterwards. So, yes, Thing in the Ice IS affected by this.

      • Robert FakeLastName

        i just read some comments confirming that you Won’t get counters for “enters with” cards.

  • Nada1

    So if i play this and then play Thing in the Ice, does it come in to play with 0 counters and flip as soon as i cast the next instant/sorcery?

    • Dennis Sellers

      No, the last counter has to be removed due to its effect via instant or sorcery.

      • galen150

        no, if you cast an instant or sorcery and it has none on it then it would flip even if it tries and fails to remove an ice counter.

    • galen150

      you would need to still cast a single instant or sorcery. that would trigger the ability. the remove counters and flip are all one block of text so in order ffor any of it to happen you need to cast one. it would try and fail to remove a counter, then check if it has any, see it has none and then flip.

  • Johan K

    How does this interact with “enters the battlefield with”, is that still a “put on”?

    • Jonathan Reynolds

      This doesn’t remove counters already on creatures and things that enter the battlefield with are considered to already have the counters on them. So they should be fine, I think.

      EDIT: I’m wrong. It will prevent the counters from being placed on.

      • Johan K

        The not removing part i figured. But you are saying this makes dark depths a nonbo, but allows Prime Speaker Zegana for instance?

        • Jonathan Reynolds

          Interesting point. I’m not sure then.

          • Pandancules

            mtggoldfish just had an article that confirmed that “enters with” would not get their counters. Thing in the Ice and Dark depths are very happy about this.

        • Jonathan Reynolds

          Alright. Based on this ruling from Hardened Scales, it should prevent the counters from being placed on it.
          ” “Placed on a creature you control” includes that creature entering the battlefield with +1/+1 counters on it. If a creature would enter the battlefield with a number of +1/+1 counters on it while you control Hardened Scales, it enters with that many counters plus one.”

    • Eli Eyal Broide

      It prohibits you from putting counters on things… things that enter with counters enter without any counters… If those things are 0/0… they die immediately

  • Guest

    Gideon is devastated his cat died.

    • Ira

      Kiddeh ;o;

  • Peter Cassell

    Good vs Affinity??

    • Writerofthings

      I think Stony Silence is better for Affinity. But man does this stuff Infect. It also slows down CoCo decks.

      • TogetherAlone

        Not the current coco decks, this just gives them their Inf mana combo with druid. unless because you can’t put counters on you cant activate the ability. hmmm

        • Writerofthings

          Yeah you can’t activate the infinite combo or the archangel of thune combo. Just the persist combos.

      • DJ Pad

        If you play it against CoCo, it will shut down some of their combos but help them with others (persist/undying). Not sure you’d really want to play it against them

        • Writerofthings

          as a CoCo player, it will force me to run more Pridemages.

  • Shagoth

    Hates on…
    Atraxa EDH
    Any Counter edh deck
    Experience Edh decks
    Poison
    All of the Energy decks that slot in a new combo all of the time
    Devoted Combo

    …But it still doesn’t kill Planeswalkers…

    • Writerofthings

      Also the Archangel of Thune/Spikefeeder combo

      • Shagoth

        That one, too. This will see play in modern for how much it hates on.

    • Johan K

      My Atraxa deck survives fine, in fact. Then again I run reanimator Atraxa because I’m not lame.

      • Shagoth

        Reanimator Atraxa? Huh, what’s the proliferate synergy, if there is any?

        • Johan K

          I am actually using her more for other the fantastic abilities and colours. I used to run both an Esper, an Abzan and a Sultai reanimator before, now it’s all-in-one (and I can use those decks for more diverse deck archetypes). Whilst some might find it a waste of the Proliferate, I find most Superfriends/infect to be wasting the fantastic body and abilities. If one always goes with the mindset that one has to use all the abilities, one is usually hindering oneself in the long run. There is some accidental overlap with the Proliferate ability though.
          I also just like the unique-factor. Just like I am using Olivia 1.0 *without* Vampire tribal. Which I have yet to see anyone else do. And I’ve run a mono-black Oona-list for years now. Recently, more have been cropping up.

    • Jonathan Reynolds

      Are you complaining that this doesn’t hate on enough?

      • Shagoth

        No, it just feels like they missed one of the most hated card types in mtg. It’s not bad, just kind of funny. But the Spyglass has that covered, and next rotation, there won’t even be any good planeswalkers for the Spyglass to hit.

  • Vincent Godin-Filion

    Phyrexian Unlife and this: you are immortal.
    Must do a white lich deck loll.

    • Blahblahblahbla

      Force Bubble finally has a pal!!

  • Chris Redfearn

    PW could ETB with their starting loyalty counters, but wouldn’t be able to use their + ability. PW could never ultimate. Cool.

    • DarthinvaderIX

      This does nothing to planeswalkers (?)

      • Chris Redfearn

        Sorry. I got excited there for a second.

        • Robert FakeLastName

          if mycosynth lattice is in play this will affect pw on etb.

  • Blahblahblahbla

    My Gaddock Teeg anti-combo EDH deck says: “You are home now..”

  • Nanya

    Kresh has a sad.

  • Jacob Kodicovic

    I will personally buy every possible copy of this card and burn them all while my Atraxa deck looks on.

    • Ryan Cameron

      Do it for the sake of Atraxa decks everywhere. I honestly will likely up the amount of counterspells and or removal in my own Atraxa list if I start seeing more stuff like this. Ixalan already has a card on the way in fact if you haven’t noticed that deals 20 damage to all creatures and planeswalkers too.

  • Chuck

    Ok… hold on a second…
    1. Persist and Undying become immortals?
    2. This card doesn’t say “permanents”… so… suspend gives no time counters?
    3 Mana?! Really?!

    • Blahblahblahbla

      1. Correct
      2. Suspend cards are simply exiled permanently when this is in play.
      3. What about mana? This card doesn’t interact with mana in any way.

      • Raymond Horley

        he was saying “3 mana, really”. it wasn’t question 3 he was just confused by the low cmc.

        • Chuck

          Actually, I wasn’t confused. Amazed? Maybe… Stupefied? Definitely. Astonished? Speechless? Impressed? Totally!

      • Hedronal

        This does not interact with suspend. See Tolle’s explanation right above.

    • Tolle

      This card doesn’t have to say permanents. When it says something like “creature” it means “creatures permanent” otherwise it would say “creature card.” This does not interact with suspend.

  • Edward

    Keep the Atraxa/infect hate coming please. This also shuts down all 5 experience counter Commanders from Commander 2015. i guess Wizards decided they have printed enough counter relevant cards that they need counter hate too

    • Pandancules

      Atraxa Superfriends doesn’t mind it tho

      • Edward

        That is true but every other version of Atraxa does

  • Pandancules

    This card has so much potential to break blue white control in standard, that I’m worried people will be begging to ban it in a month.

    • Happy The Cat

      well, they had to make something that will stop the mid/late Grix/Jund decks that run on -1/-1 counters. I mean, only one of those decks run any green and neither of them are white, wizards cant allow that.

      • Pandancules

        -1/-1 counter decks aren’t even good right now.

        • Happy The Cat

          that’s because they haven’t gotten The Scorpion yet, who will be giving them a way to pick up their whole deck when comboed with or The Locust, Hapatra or Nest of Scarabs. it shouldn’t be hard for something like Zulaport Cutthroat or a 2nd of the token makers to kill from that range when you are getting like 40~45 tokens dying to draw you cards.

  • Alex Yaeger

    Would this work on Cumulative Upkeep cards? Since they technically have “age counters?” Either way, I feel this card is gonna be hated in so many formats and worth quite a bit.

    • Alex Yaeger

      Also how would this work with suspend?

      • Blahblahblahbla

        When reading the rules and applying them logically, it would seem that if you have Solemnity in play and you suspend any card, it will simply exile it forever. Since no counters are being removed from the suspended card, it’s cast trigger will not happen.

        • Alex Yaeger

          Ah, darn, was hoping for suspend shenanigans. I’m looking through Cumulative Upkeep cards at least. Definite EDH potential, but the other formats probably won’t care too much. Still I would expect the Modern players to make this a sideboard staple.

          • Blahblahblahbla

            Tornado is probably the sweetest card to play with Solemnity in my opinion. :D

        • Tolle

          That isn’t at all how it works. Cards suspended aren’t permanents and this card only affects permanents.

          • Blahblahblahbla

            So the card’s type isn’t seen by Solemnity while it is exiled? Solemnity
            doesn’t specify permanents or the battlefield, so i assumed that it
            sees the card’s type the same as something like Cunning Wish see’s the
            cards type when it is in exile. I looked through the rules on suspend
            and didn’t see anything indicating that other cards neglect to see a
            card type while it is exiled. Any info on this would be appreciated! :)

          • Tolle

            Whenever card says something like “creature” it means “creature permanent.” Otherwise it would say “creature card.” So this card can’t interact with suspend at all. It is one of the things worded poorly on magic cards for which there is no better wording. Let me know if you want me to track down the actual rule number for this.

          • Blahblahblahbla

            I’ll look it up, thanks! I’ve been playing for 20 years, but somehow this either hasn’t come up or i’ve just forgotten. :p

        • Hedronal

          Abilities that just refer to a card type like on this card only apply on the battlefield. Suspend only happens when it’s off the battlefield, so suspend works normally with this.

      • sansmyhands

        It doesn’t interact with suspend. A suspended card is a spell, it is not a player, artifact, creature, enchantment or land.

        • Blahblahblahbla

          So the card’s type isn’t seen by Solemnity while it is exiled? Solemnity doesn’t specify permanents or the battlefield, so i assumed that it sees the card’s type the same as something like Cunning Wish see’s the cards type when it is in exile. I looked through the rules on suspend and didn’t see anything indicating that other cards neglect to see a card type while it is exiled. Any info on this would be appreciated! :)

          • Happy The Cat

            Solemnity only effects cards on the board, unless stated, cards ignore things not on the board. and the counters are placed on the suspended card in exile.

          • sansmyhands

            When not on the battlefield a creature card is not a CREATURE, it is a CREATURE CARD. If a spell or ability would affect a creature card (or artifact, enchantment, PW, land, etc) when it is not on the battlefield, it would specify the word “card.” Also, Cunning Wish doesn’t see cards in exile, only in your sideboard. And it specifies the word “card”.

    • Blahblahblahbla

      This works beautifully with Cumulative Upkeep cards. The line is: Place an age counter on (card name) then pay the upkeep for each age counter on (card name).
      I specifically want to make some silly modern deck with this and cards like Phyrexian Soulgorger and Sheltering Ancient. :D

  • Blahblahblahbla

    The easy combo with Decree of Silence is finally here… I have been waiting so long for this. ;_; The hard lock is real..

    • guy

      I’m so happy for you. I know you have been trying for a while now.

      • Blahblahblahbla

        *rubs belly* Mmmmmm…. Counter babies…

    • Miles Rinesmith

      I found a way to do it with Hex Parasite and Seedborn Muse.

  • Raymond Horley

    So this makes energy decks pretty bad now I suppose

    • Pandancules

      We will have to see, because energy runs green already so they can respond to it with spells the deck would already be running anyways. Blue white control may be the thing though, because you can protect it easier.

  • jaya

    This is broken…So many ways to broke this card in edh.
    So that makes 2 gods dead right?

    • Eventide

      The flavor text on Defiant Khenra makes it seem like all five original gods are going to die. :(

  • DJ Pad

    This card has soooo much potential in so many formats.

    Shuts down infect, hurts energy, combos with persist/undying, cumulative upkeeps nerfed, If sure there’s tons of individual cards I’m missing.

    Only thing I’m wondering is…does this work with dark depths if you have it in play when you play the land, or does it still come into play with them?

    • Tolle

      Yes. This works exactly how you want it to with dark depth.

      • Johan K

        Well, for it to work exactly like you’d want it, it’d be retroactively removing them as well as how it works now.

        • Tolle

          Quite frankly. I don’t want that. A free 20/20 with indestructible is scary enough as is.

          • Happy The Cat

            DD decks have been doing it with Thespian’s Stage for for years now, and even longer with Vampire Hexmage, why would a 3 mana enchantment that costs more than both of those work any better?

          • JoeG

            Because unlike those other 2 cards. You still keep this enchantment on the field to use on your other copies of dark depths.

          • eltratzo

            so you can legend rule your indestructible 20/20 fliers?

          • Tolle

            Simple, I don’t play legacy or vintage and don’t want it to be reliable enough for commander.

        • Pandancules

          As long as you play Dark Depths after this, it will enter without counters.

          • Johan K

            Yes. Like I said.

      • Maxime Roche

        hmm Not sure ’bout that but dark depth comes in play with counter ON IT. The enchant says counter can’t be put on lands, does it says, it has the counter anyway, as it comes from outside the battlefield with counter already on it?

        • eltratzo

          things that enter wih counters are treated as having them put on them upon entering.

          10/1/2005

          Doubling
          Season affects cards that “enter the battlefield with” a certain number
          of counters. Triskelion, for example, would enter the battlefield with
          six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.”
          the same concept applies here as well.

        • Tolle

          121.6. Some spells and abilities refer to counters being put on an
          object. This refers to putting counters on that object while it’s on the
          battlefield and also to an object that’s given counters as it enters
          the battlefield.

          The counters won’t be put on when it enters the battlefield.

  • imoth

    and planeswalkers? oh, of course not.

    figures.

    • Jonathan Reynolds

      Oh, I’m sorry. Is one of the most oppressive cards made still not oppressive enough for you? I’m so sorry.

      • imoth

        i don’t think they should have made this card. but if they’re gonna go all out…

      • Cthulhooo

        Yes. Screw planeswalkers. We need some actual answers to them.

  • Hedronal

    Multiple new Dark Depths combos, nice.

  • Hedronal

    Gideon is going to be so messed up by the deaths of the Gods of Amonkhet. He finally found some or at least one he kind of liked.

    • Shawn Michael Diaz

      Pretty sure he lost all interest with the human sacrifice…

      • Eventide

        But he knows (via Nissa) that Bolas screwed up the gods; they both know the gods originally were good and actually cared about their people.

      • Hedronal

        I think Oketra would still be different to him. Also like @disqus_CdHEl97ZZA:disqus said, Bolas controlled them.

    • Eventide

      This is what makes me wonder if he’ll stay on Amonkhet if (1) it isn’t utterly destroyed and (2) he doesn’t die.

  • Han Solo II

    yes a huge F U to Atraxa players

  • Robert FakeLastName

    This is simultaneously a hoser and a combo piece. pretty nifty i’d say. can’t wait for this to to be broken.

    • Jay Kilian

      It was broken the moment they printed it. It’s a candidate for banning immediately.

  • Shawn Michael Diaz

    This kills counters company, right? Well I guess it enables some of their shenanigans but as long as you’re also sac-ing Fink’s infinitely, it’s fine right?

    • OldGlassBen

      persist would put a -1/-1 counter on it, so sadly, it would even enable inifinte persist

      • Shawn Michael Diaz

        Yeah that’s why I said you would use it in a deck that also plays Fink’s. It stops Devoted Vizier though so it draws the game

  • Jude

    Lol says death to the C15 commanders and also says life to anyone with persist or undying-

  • Jim

    This on field and than drop dark depths

    • Daniel Kaine Allen

      That’s not quite how that works. Similarly to how doubling season can’t affect hangarback walker, this would have no affect on dark depths, because the counters are never placed on it, they simply come onto the field with it.

      • Chuck

        Eh… Doubling Season DOES affect Hangarback Walker.

        01.10.2005 Doubling Season affects cards that “enter the battlefield with” a certain number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would enter the battlefield with six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.

        • Daniel Kaine Allen

          Hm. I was told a long time ago that wasn’t how that worked. But if it’s in the rulings then I can’t argue

          • Ryan Sullivan

            When something enters the battlefield with the counters on it, Solemnity would still prevent the counters from ever being placed on the card in the first place. Technically this card is going to be legacy gold if they don’t change some rulings around, because it will happen with dark depths.

  • Chaospyke

    So this basically says “Negate all damage done by creatures with infect”

    I like it. Whenever we go back to mirrodin/new phyrexia, I hope this gets a reprint

  • annon23

    This plus phyrexian unlife

    • DJ Pad

      Or glacial chasm

      • Chuck

        Or dark deepths… decree of silence… Kitchen Finks…
        So many combos…
        Not forgetting that it breaks a lot of cards in all formats.
        Energy… Challice of the void… Walking Ballista… Atraxa…

        Unfortunately it’s also a great candidate to be banned :-(

  • kmk888

    I play standard primarily. Die GB energy. Die Temur aggro. >:)

    Also yeah there’s probably some pretty big applications for this in eternal constructed formats. Cumulative upkeep costs and infect come to mind.

  • Somebodyy

    Everyone is talking about this card in constructed. I’m thinking about this with the kind of green cards we’re getting in this set. Oh My. Also deals with some of the removal.

    • deathByStupid

      I think for the most part it will have zero impact in limited, it’s still a pretty fast format, and if you consider spending turn 3 on a spell that might have no impact on the board, that’s a super important turn.

      Just consider your turn 3 solemnity, my turn 4, thanks croc of the crossing.. die :P

      Also if you are playing solemnity you basically have to go G+W otherwise your opponent will probably use it against you, and that means you are getting pulled into 2 colors by a fairly weak card.

      In standard on the other hand you have 2 card combos for giant creatures on turn 4.

      I’ll give you one thing it’s a decent hate card, if your opponent is using -1/-1 counters and things like edifice, then it’s decent, but only for sideboard.

  • Pandancules

    121.6. Some spells and abilities refer to counters being put on an object. This refers to putting counters on that object while it’s on the battlefield and also to an object that’s given counters as it enters the battlefield.

  • Dewill

    Turn 4 win: Carrion Feeder + Blood Artist + Solemnity + any persist/undying creature.
    That was a fun game. lets go get pizza now.

    • eltratzo

      also: a 4 card combo including two rather tragile creatures. also with your cards only legal in legacy not modern. there are far worse things in the game.

      • Dewill

        you should try living more positively in your life

        • Harry Palm

          So positivist equals stupidity? Don’t get mad at him because he pointed out reality to you.

          • Dewill

            you need it too.

        • eltratzo

          oh but I am positive. positive that this is not a combo that in any way shape or form endangers my playing experience or the health of any format I have any interest in.

          • Dewill

            Then don’t let it trigger you so much :)

      • Chuck

        A Three card combo, if your “any persist/undying creature” is Murderous Redcap.
        You don’t need Blood Artist.

        • eltratzo

          correct. also that combo already exists thanks to melira and anafenza (and viscera seer for modern playability). it doesn’t really break the format in any way. (without the birthing pod as the value/tutor engine at least)

        • Jay Kilian

          or Geralf’s Messenger. And it doesn’t have to be carrion feeder, it could be any repeatable sac outlet (Viscera Seer, Spawning Pit, etc)

    • Vizzerdrix

      Literally just plug this into melira decks, basically the same effect as vizer of poisons but prevents infect and affinity from doing what they want.

      • Connor

        Except you lose the devoted druid combo

      • Jay Kilian

        It’s also an enchantment so it’s harder to get rid of, generally.

  • Soren Szilver

    so +1/+1 counters atraxa is my fav edh that i run most often and my friend sent me a pic of this and said they are preordering it to spite me. send help…………

    • Slysoft

      As if green and white have trouble removing enchantments

    • Happy The Cat

      got a Lux Cannon? just keep it charged up and you should be fine. or just run enchantment removal in you deck with every color that doesn’t struggle with enchantments.

    • Swift

      You have Green and White to your disposal, just run a simple enchantment hate card to counter. My favorites are Council’s Judgement, Aura Shards, Qasali Pridemage, Austere Command, and Tranquil Grove (better if you aren’t running a lot of enchantments yourself.)

  • NC

    Guess I’m breaking out my Appetite for the Unnatural

  • Vizzerdrix

    So immediately I think melira but what I think could be interesting but doesn’t actually work is it’s effective regarding pws as they are unaffected but nothing else on this card would help. I was kinda thinking along the lines of pws or man lands with pernicious deed but deed at least clears a field this does not. I do like the interaction with affinity and ravager but stony silence works just as well and hurts Tron

  • Tanène

    Hum… What ?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but…

    Does it breaks :

    – experience counters
    – depletion counters
    – delay counters
    – energy counters
    – charge counters : sunburst
    – time counters : vanishing, NOT suspend (right ?)
    – poison counters : poisonous, infect
    – age counters : cumulative upkeep
    – level counters : level up
    – -1/-1 counters : infect, wither, persist
    – +1/+1 counters : amplify, unleash, graft, undying, megamorph, monstrous, reinforce, renown, devour, modular, awaken, evolve, support, bloodthirst, bolster, outlast, tribute
    – proliferate
    – some kicker/multikicker
    – many (X) mana costs

    Does it allow :

    – Solemnity + Dark Depths
    – Solemnity + Kitchen Finks
    – Solemnity + Phyrexian Unlife
    – Solemnity + Geralf’s Messenger
    – Solemnity + Thing in the Ice
    – Solemnity + Force Bubble
    – Solemnity + Celestial Convergence
    – Solemnity + Delaying Shield
    – Solemnity + Decree of Silence
    – Solemnity + Glacial Chasm
    – Solemnity + Enchanted Evening (it works with planeswalkers ?)
    – …

    Does it affects standard, modern, legacy, and vintage ?

    FOR THREE MANA IN MONO WHITE ?!
    FOR 5$ in pre-order ?!

    The real question is : do you think this card will be banned ?

    • Chuck

      About the counters you mentioned, yes. It affects all of them. Just some points of attention:
      – Monstruous: Although the creature doesn’t get the +1/+1 counters, it still becomes monstruous.
      – Renown: The creature also doesn’t get +1/+1 counters, but still becomes renowned.
      – Tribute: Since the Tribute gives you the possibility to put a counter on your creature and Solemnity denies you this possibility, you must chose the triggered ability, because you are unable to put counters.
      – Many X mana costs: If you mean Challice of the Void, then yes.
      – Cards like Devoted Druid have “put counters” as the cost for an activated ability. You can’t pay the cost, then you can’t play the ability.
      – All combos you said work. And yes, Solemnity + Enchanted Evening works on Planeswalkers.

      • Tanène

        Thanks for the precisions.

        I was thinking about Challice of the Void and Walking Ballista yes, but I don’t forget my little hydras ! ^^

        This card is really impressive, it is likely that it will be banned in modern/standard.
        But still, and it’s my opinion, this card will have a huge impact on the mtg finance sphere…

        Say goodbuy to :

        – Chalice of the Void
        – Arcbound Ravager
        – Steel Overseer
        – Aether Vial
        – Engineered Explosives
        – Scavenging Ooze
        – Blightsteel Colossus
        – Walking Ballista
        – Bristling Hydra
        – Tireless Tracker
        – Atraxa
        – and so many others…

        Maybe I’m wrong and some permanent/enchant removals will do the work.
        Maybe I’m just literally overhyping this card lol, don’t know…

        • Emmanuel Debersee

          Yes it’s true.

          This card is very owesome, I think he will cost 20 $ later. I have preorder 10 card’s !! :D

        • Adam Malekhedayat

          I think youre overhyping it tbh. Banned in modern and standard? Lol.
          There’s no deck that gets crippled by this, it stops SOME cards in SOME decks, at best.

  • Merlin

    Here is the real question can you infinity sac geralf’s messenger with this and win? Turn 4 win? I’m going to make it just for laughs if I can

    • anon

      t1 b/w land
      t2 swamp, spawning pit, etc, any 2 cmc sac outlet
      t3 swamp,solemnity
      t4 swamp, geralfs messenger/murderous redcap
      there you go.

  • Bombax

    Does this card combo with Chronozoa?

    • Tanène

      Yes vanishing is affected, but I think the Chronozoa is instntanly sacrified.
      So you have an infinite exponential loop of Chronozoa entering on the battlefield and in your graveyard.

      Maybe it triggers only on your upkeep ? I don’t know.
      If the sacrifice comes only on your upkeep, you can attack with haste.

      Or maybe the vanishing capacity just not triggers. I would like to know too.
      For me the rules are quite difficult to interpret in this case…

      • Bombax

        After investigating the rules I can say that no, it doesn’t work the way I hoped, you just get a Chronozoa with no counters and the last part of Vanishing will never trigger(not even on your upkeep). You need a sacrifice outlet to make it work.

        • Tanène

          I suspected that a little. It’s because you don’t remove any time counter, so the vanishing doesn’t trigger… no ?

          It’s good to know thank you

  • potatogod442

    The more appropriate name for this card would be F**k Atraxa

    • infowarrior

      Exactly. If this comes out on my Atraxa or Elves tribal deck I scoop. This needs banned imo.