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Wakening Sun’s Avatar


  • Color: White
  • Type: Creature - Avatar, Dinosaur
  • Rarity: Mythic Rare
  • Set:

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  • Marvin Sürig

    I think it’s strange that it has no effect if you play it with the Legendary Suns Avatar

    • galen150

      yea. maybe because board wiping your opponent for free is a little broken. from a gameplay perspective, i think they did it on ppurpose to not make it OP. from a flavor perspective, kinda a fail

      • bentheechidna

        Gameplay trumps flavor

      • Marvin Sürig

        I completly agree. Would’ve been to broken. Would’ve been fun if it was a bit different like: if not cast from hand only destroying non-dinosaurs who are tapped or stopping opponents creatures from untapping next turn.

      • Shagoth

        Wiping your opponents board for eight if it happens to be in the top seven cards in your deck (and I’m just thinking edh, in standard even if it some how did happen, aside from a Cast Out it’s basically a win more, albeit very likely to happen)

  • Zombie

    It’s a real shame the big Dinos are so horrifically overpriced, it basically relegates them all to EDH.

    • Aurore

      Depends on the amount of ramp in standard.

      • Zombie

        There isn’t enough ramp in the world for a consistent 8 drop goal.

        Or, they can’t actually print enough in one set.

        • Delipha

          Dragonlord Atarka is at 7 and sends her regards.

          • Zombie

            Atarka had a mountain of ramp, was Red/Green, and isn’t 8 mana – as in, comes down a full turn earlier.

            Comparing Dragonlord Atarka to an 8 mana white creature with 3 white mana symbols in its cost is borderline autistic reasoning.

            Atarka also didn’t need to be cast, Atarka’s ability was simple ETB.

            Wakening Sun’s Avatar needs to be cast from your hand.

            Atarka can be cheated in and still triggers.

          • Hedronal

            “autistic reasoning” dude no. Just no.

          • Random Guy

            Yeah, “retarded” has the same effect without being 100% incorrect and offensive. Autism makes you “smart” at a cost of social/awareness skills, and though that can mean you suck at nearly everything it still typically means you’re smart so long as the listener is smart enough to understand you.

          • Hedronal

            At this point they’re both offensive in this context. Saying autism there is also just completely ignorant.

          • Random Guy

            I don’t understand why retarded is considered especially offensive (although I understand that it is so I avoid using it regardless). It literally means stupid (but for medical reasons). So why would it be more offensive than “stupid”?

            “Saying autism there is also completely ignorant” are you talking about me or him? Because I was a slight auspie not sure if I would be considered it now.

          • Hedronal

            Retarded being offensive, as I understand it, is generally from not wanting to associate something people are stuck with beyond their control with whatever people on the internet want to insult.

            Him, not you.

          • the mad seer

            retarded doesn’t mean stupid. it means slowed or impeded. that is actually exactly why its offensive: a retarded person may have trouble learning, but with proper education they are able to reach the same level of intelligence as a normal person. to use retarded is to suggest that they are stupid and that they, with no exception, will always be stupid. many people with mental retardation can still go on to have good jobs like everyone else but when it is said they are ” a retard” the brain subtly interprets that as meaning “nothing but a dumb retard”. on the other hand, if you say “person with mental retardation”, it reminds the listener that the person in question is human, and thus has endeavored to overcome their disability and is worth considering as an equal. “people first” pronouns encourage employers, doctors, and teachers to reasonably accommodate the person so they may live life like the rest of us.

          • the mad seer

            my cousin, my sister and I are all autistic and I agree with hedronal. using autism to describe a bad decision is offensive, autistic people are like anyone else in their ability to process information, they just have trouble with certain social nuances. also random guy most autistic people aren’t like rain man, they are just quirky people with difficulty understanding complicated social cues.

          • Zombie

            Weaponized autism in the right hands can be a valuable tool

          • Shagoth

            “Comparing Dragonlord Atarka to an 8 mana white creature with 3 white mana symbols in its cost is borderline autistic reasoning.”
            I mean, I was diagnosed. Then again, it was misspelled.
            Honestly, I’m more bothered by you acting like eight and seven mana are such a world of difference. (Unless we’re talking about tron) Honestly, in rampless casual, non edh decks, I’ve found that average games that last kind of a long time, after six lands, you just kind of stop drawing lands. Usually, players go for a few rounds with five lands, but you just kind of stop seeing lands for a while after six. Seven and eight seem equally out of reach and both require ramping, while 10+ seems to require cheating.

          • Zombie

            Eight and Seven mana, at their very least of differences, are a full turn away from each other in terms of time required to invest in putting it into play and actually doing something.

            And a full turn is not to be taken for granted.

            Also, 3 White mana symbols makes this incredibly hard to ramp to, making it night unplayable outside of the jankiest G/W or Naya trash pile.

            Not to mention, any effect that lets you dodge that 8 mana cost will more than likely not actually let it do anything, since it needs to be cast from your hand to trigger.

            And if you’re just going to cheat in a big dumb vanilla 7/7, there’s better creatures to use instead.

          • Shagoth

            Eh, I’m not saying this card is great. I’m just saying that frequently, in my explosive, non iron ramp decks, I go from T1=1 T2=3 T3=5/6 T4=8+. Personal experience, yes, but this is supposed to either be in casual decks or ramp decks. It’s not really T7 vs T8, it’s more like T4 vs T4.

          • Zombie

            It’s more like ETB vs. On-Cast

            It’s still not good when you can’t cheat it.

          • Shagoth

            Yeah, I agree. I wish it was an ETB, it’s anti synergistic with a card designed to synergize with this guy.

    • galen150

      this is 8 mana for an asymetrical board wipe and a 7/7 in a relevant tribe. i wouldnt call that bad.

      • Zombie

        It’s also, you know, 8 mana.

    • Pungo

      What were you expecting, aggressively costed 2/2’s? Use ya head, Zombers.

      • Zombie

        No, just more that weren’t over 7 mana.

    • Shagoth

      The big Dinos? Of course they’d be overpriced. I personally wasn’t expecting too many tarmogoyfs with upside.

      • Zombie

        I wasn’t expecting undercosted aggro dinosaurs, I was expecting a midrange curve for what one would assume is a midrange archetype.

        Instead of 4-5 average with a 6-7 cap, we’re getting 8 mana creatures like this, that can’t feasibly be played against slow decks where it doesn’t actually do anything except be an 8 mana 7/7 that just gets bopped in the head with cards like Walk the Plank.

        “Dies to removal” is pretty much a meme but it’s highly relevant when the topic is an 8 mana creature that you invest your entire gameplan in dropping, only to have it blown up for 2 mana.

        • Shagoth

          I don’t think Dinos will really see play, but I don’t really care too much. It’s cheaper to make a sexy Dino edh deck. I don’t think the world will suffer with these guys being banished to the edh realm while being awesome flavorfully.

          • Zombie

            A midrange Dino deck would have been sweet tho.

          • Shagoth

            I suppose.
            Don’t lose hope yet, there have been some pretty alright 4-6 mana Dinos so far. It seems like the expensive ones are mostly the avatars, and I think that’s done. Also there was a 2/2 for two. Granted, it was a bad 2/2, but it still means that they could print some cheaper Dinos.

          • Zombie

            The 2/2 wasn’t even that bad. Just needs a lord for 3-4 mana or w/e.

            It’s basically a monowhite non-hasty Cerodon Yearling.

    • Drachir

      When will people finally understand that not every overpriced bulk rare/mythic is playable in EDH? There is basically only the dedicated Dinosaur Tribal Deck for this to fit in and with the cards we see here it will be below Precons in terms of powerlevel.
      This deck will most likely be a 3 or 4/10. And i would argue that there are almost no players who enjoy below Precon Power EDH.

      • Zombie

        In multiplayer casual EDH, virtually everything is playable in some form or fashion.

        I mean, I’m sure never going to see a deck like Dinos come up in my playgroup, but that’s mostly because the cheapest deck one of us runs is like $7,500 and it’s not even fully foiled yet.

        • Happy The Cat

          umm… I don’t think you’re playing casual edh if you’ve got $7k decks, I mean my Azami barely breaks $2k and a good amount of that is my Chinese foil commander and she’ll almost always kill turn 4 with counterspells to cover unless I kept a bad hand

          • Zombie

            I play both casual and ‘competitive’ EDH.

            On the competitive side, we run cards like The Unholy Trinity, Imperial Seal, Grim Tutor, etc.

            The cost racks up very quickly, especially when you’re tacking foilings onto that.

            For instance, my Breya deck’s value has shot up nearly $1000 with the spike of Metalworker’s foil alone.

    • sansmyhands

      While I do agree that most of the dinos’ cost/power ratio slants them more to the realm of casual and limited play, I’m pretty sure the design philosophy behind them is that with so many things that create treasure tokens in the set, along with Explore helping you hit land drops, they virtually cost 2-3 less than their CMC would lead you to believe. We’ll just have to wait and see how the rest of the set shapes up. That said, still probably not playable in a world where Ramunap Red is still going to be viable and some mono-black or B/X aggro deck is going to be a beater.

  • bentheechidna

    Woof

  • Alex

    Even if the CMC is high, I have to suspect there may be ways to cheat this out and blink it to abuse the fact that it is ETB, not when you cast.

    • Shagoth

      Enters the battlefield, if you cast it from your hand…
      I think you missed that part.

      • Alex

        Sheeeit.

    • Zombie

      Cheating it out doesn’t even matter, it has to be cast from your hand to pop.

      That’s why the 8 mana cost is so relevant to the discussion.

  • Random Guy

    For comparison, Crush has seen some standard play. This is kinda trash (except in limited/EDH).

  • Márcio Siqueira

    Wrath of dinos

    • Shagoth

      Winds of Dinos

  • Ulamog

    Styracosaurus HYPE boys

  • Happy The Cat

    well, that’s an okay card, I mean that mana cost kicks it out of everything but edh but Gishath already looks like a fun build around.
    also this is way better than the red avatar, two mana is nothing when the upgrade is a one sided wrath vs searing blaze.

  • Giby86 .

    A few weird ways to look at this: a white Kindred Dominance with a set creature type, which also leaves a 7/7 behind. No reason not to play it in a Dinosaur-tribal deck.
    Or, an 8-mana Phyrexian Rebirth with a set 7/7 instead of a potentially bigger or potentially smaller token. I would always go for the Rebirth if I’m not playing dinos.

    • Deadly Berry

      It says non-Dinos, not All creatures. I’d stick to this one in a Dinos tribal.

      • Giby86 .

        Yes, that’s what I said. In a vacuum, meaning if I’m not playing a Dino-tribal, it says “destroy all creatures except for this one”, which is functionally the same as Rebirth: it destroys all creatures and leaves a huge token behind. Of course this is meant to be played in a tribal deck, I was comparing to something similar outside a tribal shell.

  • Miles Rinesmith

    not bad with the new Legendary Dino just use the Green to ramp and the 8 mana is not too bad.

    • Shagoth

      This is cast.

  • Arcus Diabolus

    I hope they thought to give us proper ramp to support these big boys.

  • Darkray Accel

    Still better than its red counterpart.