• Chandra, Pyrogenius

    This looks pretty bad.

    • BusinessmanGinger

      Yeah, but that’s kinda the point for getting new players into the game. I’m definitely not buying this garbage

    • Soren Szilver

      It isn’t meant for people who already know the game, it is replacing intro decks.

    • Zombie

      At least these have Planeswalkers and cool this-product-only cards.

      Better than the Intro Packs we’ve been getting for the past few years which held almost no value to anyone whatsoever.

  • Animar, Elemental Master

    Remember that both of these decks have special standard legal cards in them that give you benefits when played with the planeswalker they’re themed after, which may jack the price up if they are good.

    • Marvin Sürig

      Most likely just the uncommon. The rare focus on the name of the card while uncommon focus on Planeswalker type.

  • Vizzerdrix

    Seems like no one wants this, well I’m a seasoned player and having read what they plan to do with these decks to make it so you can play the pws it seems like these could be fun to build around, the article talked about being able to tutor, cards that had an extra effect if you have the pw out, so maybe not these not super playable but the design space is interesting to see what they do with it not that pws need more power but expanding on it could be fun

    • Zombie

      No one wants this except the people who would normally buy Intro packs.

      This isn’t for people like you or me. Planeswalker decks are replacing Intro Packs.

      • Vizzerdrix

        Fair enough, I definitely want to see what the pw supplement cards are and I might consider buying them, but overall it’s prob just that its a novelty that I would want it,

    • Marvin Sürig

      I wonder. Maybe you can use them in EDH somehow because of the card that tutors them out. Depending on the uncommen card you might be able to use that one exclusive card in decks which use that certain Planeswalker. But the uncommens can be really weak to. Unless we get a Shock that turns into a lightningbolt as long as you control a chandra.

    • Nomad Rell

      By the sounds of it, no better than an intro deck, but a number of concepts in this product seem interesting. I hope this expands to hold spells that do more interaction with planeswalkers (like enchantments that can make them creatures in addition, or equipment that give augmentations or another loyalty ability.) Whatever the case I agree withnebulium. Put planeswalkers that appear in lore and it doesn’t interrupt the 5 to 6 planeswalkers per block.

  • Overmar

    Do we know msrp for these?

    • Jade


  • Nebulium

    I really hope they use these as an excuse to make planeswalker cards out of secondary or tertiary characters. I know he’s dead now but Vronos would be a good example. I get that the gatewatch is the focus and all but do we really need 10 different Nissa’s and Chandra’s when there are planeswalkers we haven’t even seen yet?

    • Edward

      Sadly that isn’t going to happen. Mark Rosewater stated that the planeswalkers will be planeswalkers that are also in the set which means we are going to be seeing a lot of repeats of planeswalkers. They also are purposely going to be made bad so they don’t break standard. This may change in the future if the products don’t sell or they get a lot of complaints but as of right now they will not be using them to add planeswalkers that aren’t playing a major role in the story

      • Nebulium

        That’s disappointing, it just seems like a missed opportunity to me. I guess it makes the characters more accessible to new players. It makes for a flood of new Jaces. Soon there may be more Jace cards than there are tribal cards

        • Aurore

          Jace will eventually get a minus that lets you search for any Jace and add it to hand.

        • Tony Delfino

          Once this launches, there will actually be more Chandras than any other planeswalker. That said, there will still only really be one of there that’s regularly playable.

        • Mr.Mayhem631

          While he didn’t say that, he did say they wanted to have them all be main characters.

      • Tolle

        Well, that is disappointing. It would have been nice to see them do what they did in the commander 2014 decks but oh well… Time for a rush of way too many gatewatch planeswalkers!

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        No, he didn’t.
        I know because I got it wrong too and had to double check.
        All he said is that they’d be characters featured in the main story.
        That said, he also said on Tumblr that they “want them to be major characters” so Nebulium’s comment is still unlikely.

      • Shane Klein

        theres bad and then theres this were there just not usable at all

  • Tony Delfino

    I know people say these are supposed to be bad, but I honestly think that Nissa is playable in certain formats. I’d add it to a Freyalise EDH deck, for instance.

    • Rockstick

      She’s supposed to be bad for standard

    • Tony Delfino

      I’ll give you that. 6 mana is a bit steep for that format. Sadly the Chandra is too weak for her costs. Not sure where she’s playable.

      • Nanya

        Chandra’s good for casual and collection purposes.

  • Ultramegalord

    Buddy is upset I’m sure, he has to have 4 of the first printing of every planeswalker lol

  • Mr.Mayhem631

    Interesting, they have separate art from the packaging.

    • Arcus Diabolus

      Would have preferred the box art to the card art, personally. She’s no older than 25 at most and at least 23, but the art suggests she’s at her early 40s

      • Kevan Kramer

        She is 23.

  • Pequeno Urso

    I really wouldn’t recommend these products to a begginer player just for these planeswalkers cards. Magic Origins and Free Welcome Decks are stills better alternatives and less deceiver sets.

    • Owain

      I agree, with wizards openly saying the cards are going to be garbage the whole thing just feels wrong. Like beginners are being tricked into spending money on something they won’t really be able to use. Hopefully there’ll be some salvageable stuff in the decklists, but for the most part it just seems like a waste of money

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        Seems like you haven’t been a beginner for a while.
        These are completely usable.

        • Owain

          I’ve actually only been playing magic for a little over a year, but I play edh almost exclusively so it’s a little harder for me to understand the thought process one needs for modern or standard. More than anything I think its the costs, of both mana and loyalty counters, that ruin these cards for me, honestly their abilities as abilities aren’t horrible. While Chandra’s abilities are fairly standard for Chandra, I could see myself using Nissa for her first two abilities at least. I’ve a lifegain deck that can certainly use more ramp and card draw. But outside of a longer format like edh, I don’t think people would have much luck with these cards. Modern and standard tend to be faster and at around 6 mana the game should be in the final stretch, you’d be better off playing some kind of finisher card like triumph of the hordes or angel of glory’s rise, something that can change the game in your favor. I can’t imagine someone would feel good summoning one of these planeswalkers at the eleventh hour, other high cmc planeswalkers tend to have more useful abilities. All that being said, they are usable and no one should bad using the cards they want to use for whatever reason they want to use them, with enough skill and creativity I imagine any card could be viable. It just feels wrong that lackluster cards should be marketed specifically towards beginners, not that I’m saying Wizards is being malicious or anything. I know people scalping intro packs for choice cards has been a pretty big problem, but I don’t feel like this was a really good solution

          • eltratzo

            these are not for going to tournaments with them. these are for doing what most beginners do (your apparently differnet experience nonwithstanding): playing with frends with the cards available.

            this is not meant to be something that will let you win fnms out of the box. this is to provide a rather cheap preconstructed deckthat a) saves you the trouble of learning all about proper deckbuilding befor you ever really played the game. b) gives you a card to care about with the walker c) by using lore central caracters introduces new players to that.

            this is not about people that are introduced to the game by highly immersed players (and even then it can be a good possibility in the vein of the duel decks: if both sides have one of these it should result in equal matches with both decks getting to do what they want and the players having fun), those will usually have people make them a deck tailored for them(or, even better, with them).

            this is not about proto-spikes willing to invest hundreds of dollars out of the gate to get into the competetive scene as fast as possible, those will almost certainly read up online and get themselves a netdeck in their preffered pricerange.

            wizards doesn’t need products for these people.

            this is about winning people that do not have previous ties to the game by providing them with a full 60 card deck, some ties to the lore and splashy cards to get exited about playing.
            and for playing casually with friends (still the most common way to play the game) these are more than enough.

          • Owain

            Fair enough

    • Kaiser

      The walkers are not bad at all, is easy to say that cause we play walker who cost about 10 dolars atleast what actually make even budget decks worth a lot better. As a company how can you give to the begginers stand-a-lone cards? is not worthy at all bro. Begginers going to buy this cause the cant just buy planeswalkers and the build a deck for use them is too expensive.

      This is going to cost 20-30 dollars, a deck building around a PW cost three times that, even more.

      • Sani K

        This is supposed to cost the same as intro packs.

  • Lebunny909

    So What are these replacing?

    • Kaiser

      intro packs

  • Reyos Blackwood

    Interesting, not only are the two walkers outside the set numbers, but there are at least three, probably, six (assuming three per deck) more cards in these decks but not in the set.

    • eltratzo

      you are correct. that has been announced a few months ago. each deck will have 1 walker designed to be big splashy and not really constructed worthy; 2x a rare that tutors that specific walker, 3x an uncommon that has some kinda payoff if you have a walker of that type (e.g. chandra, nissa, nixilis…) and 4x a common with a generic effect for that colour flavoured to the walker

      • Reyos Blackwood

        if the tutors tutor any Nissa or any Chandra I have use for em. if they pull only pyrogenius and nature’s artisan… not so much.

        • eltratzo

          while the cards themselves have not been spoiled, from what was annnounced back when they first revealed the concept the tuors will only work with pyrogenius and nature’s artisan. they are there to enable the new players to sort of have three of the walker in their deck, enabling them to play it in more games.

          the payoff cards however will as far as we know work with all chandras or nissas respectively. what exactly they’ll do however we’ll have to see

  • Magnesiumbanders

    whats the price of theese in € or $ or §

    • saltzstängel

      Abot 20 to 30 ind both $ and € and ☆.

      • Mr.Mayhem631

        That is completely incorrect. Don’t answer a question if your answer is just a guess.

    • Mr.Mayhem631

      $15 MSRP. Not sure about €; I would Google it.

    • Marvin Sürig

      I’ve bought one for about 8-9 euro. The Chandra Deck was some cents more expensive than Nissa.

    • Marvin Sürig

      If your interested its really likely that chandra Deck has Vehicle cards and Nissa uses Energy.
      Chandra White Red.
      Nissa Green Blue.
      I don’t know if there are other rares than the Planeswalker Tutor and the Mythic Planeswalker.

      • Dr. Burn Crow

        I was shocked by how not terrible the decks were.

        • Tommy Yagami

          They’re still terrible. Look up “Is it worth it to buy a Kaladesh Planeswalker Deck” on YouTube and you’ll see why.

          • Dr. Burn Crow

            Nah, I’ll think for myself and buy it for my own reasons. Thanks, though.