Angrath, the Flame-Chained - Rivals of Ixalan Spoiler

Angrath, the Flame-Chained

  • Color: Multicolored
  • Type: Planeswalker
  • Rarity: Mythic Rare
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+1: Each opponent discards a card and loses 2 life.

-3: Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap it. It gains haste until end of turn. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step if it has converted mana cost 3 or less.

-8: Each opponent loses life equal to the number of card in his or her graveyard.

  • Nono

    I was just thinking about making a black red, steal and sacrifice style deck. Now I have to get this card. It’s second ability is literally the flavor of the deck I want to make. That mana cost 3 or less is cool for him though too.

  • Kevan Kramer

    Feels like a win more card in standard, and I think the PW deck one is still better (for standard).

    • Happy The Cat

      I think it’s for the grix control deck they’re trying to force, start locking out players hands once you hit 5 mana, spot removal/Threaten to gain board state, then an ult that can finish off if you miss/lose your Revels.

  • Dr. Burn Crow

    I don’t hate it, but it’s not as fun as I’d hoped.
    Still, fits decently into my Neheb the Worthy discard EDH I’ve been working on.

  • Aurore

    Why does it have to be limited to 3 cmc to sacrifice? Seems like an unnecessary restriction. It should have just had the sacrifice at eot effect.

    • Nono

      I could see an argument saying that it would be too good that way. Compare it to something like Ob Nixilis, where you minus and destroy. This gets to minus, steal a blocker and gain an attacker, then destroy. Keeping the destroy effect limited to cheaper cards is a bit more balanced. I kind of like the flavor too, that he can steal anyone into service, but only destroy the ‘weaker’ minions.

      • Aurore

        But unlike Ob Nixilis who is mono black (easier to splash and cast) has a plus that gives you advantage (unlike Angrath who is only sometimes useful) and starts one loyalty higher Angrath seems kinda… weak right now. I think he could use the extra boost, considering he goes down to 1 loyalty if you use the minus. A Saproling could kill him if you minus him the turn he comes out.

        • Nono

          yeah, I think his weakness is he doesn’t protect himself well for a 5 mana walker. If the board is empty except for an opponents lone 4 mana creature, it’s probably not great to play Angrath.

          • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

            That’s why you play him in a format like modern, where most creatures have converted mana cost 3 or less, and planeswalkers are becoming harder to deal with since decks are replacing lightning bolt with fatal push

        • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

          Technically both Ob Nixilis and Angrath’s +1 is card advantage. Ob Nixilis draws you a card while Angrath forces the opponent to discard a card

          • Aurore

            Card disadvantage =/= card advantage because card advantage is gamestate independent while card disadvantage is not. Drawing a card is always good. (excepting Nekusar-esque shenanigans) Discarding a card immediately becomes worthless when your opponent is hellbent. Now, card disadvantage is often similar to card advantage because the vast majority of the time there is a target and it improves tempo (killing a pivotal creature at the right time, thoughtseizing a combo piece out turn one) but for cards like Angrath that can only be played at a specific time (5+ mana) and is sorcery speed, it usually isn’t as universally powerful as just a flat +1. The times when it’s good (dropping him while your opponent is holding back a powerful 6 drop and has no other cards in hand) it’s really good, but it’s more swingy than universally good.

          • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

            While it’s true card draw is almost always better than discard, the discard ability still plays very well in control decks like Jund or Grixis, decks that rely on the opponent having less options and winning via attrition and value games. It’s a reason Liliana of The Veil is played in Jund midrange and Grixis control. The fact that the opponent has one less potential threat to play can be very powerful in attrition wars.

    • aaaaa

      creatures with CMC 4 or higher are thiccccccc enough to withstand them hot chains Angrath roped em with

  • Edward

    I am kind of disappointed with him. I mean he isn’t bad but I was hoping he would be 4cmc. Even at 5 he starts at 4 Loyalty. I also wish his -3 wasn’t limited to cmc 3 or less although that I understand more because Slave Of Bolas is 5cmc. Giving Angrath the same effect for the same cmc but reusable and with other effects would be a little too much. I am fairly sure he will end up only seeing play in Commander

    • TheFullMontzy

      I’m not sure he’s even gonna see much play in Commander. The only common deck that I think he might have a place in is Nekusar, and even then, there are much better things you could be running. He might see some play in a Marcheasa deck because of his -3, but again there are better things to run in his place. I’m disappointed that the PW Deck version of him is more viable in edh than the in-set printing.

      • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

        I can see him being played in a Queen Marchesa commander deck that’s attrition and value oriented, with planeswalkers like Kaya and Angrath for card advantage, wrath of god and damnation for board control, thoughtseize and cabal therapy for discard, etc

    • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

      I could see him being played in modern in Jund/Grixis midrange/ control decks since his discard is really good in attrition/value games and his -3 is almost always a Slave of Bolas. Beyond that, lightning bolt is seeing less play in favor of fatal push in R/B decks like Grixis Death’s Shadow, so it’s very possible for decks to not have a way to deal with him even at 1 loyalty.

      • SweetBunniez

        But you can steal Death’s Shadow and it’ll die. (I don’t play modern btw so I might be completely stupid but just saying)

        • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

          The thing is Death’s Shadow also plays Tasigur and Gurmag Angler, both of which benefit from self discarding

      • Edward

        Except Angrath is 5 cmc which is a huge problem in Modern. Liliana Of The Veil is used because she is cheap and effective. This is neither cheap nor all that effective.

        • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

          Gideon Jura is played in UWx control shells, and he’s 5 mana, so there’s that. The effects are actually quite effective in value based decks since both of its abilities can gain card and/or tempo advantage against the opponent. Both Jund midrange and Grixis control benefit heavily from the opponent having less cards, and Jund can potentially use its -3 as a threaten to close out games

  • Chaospyke

    Honestly This is disappointing, I’ve been running a R/B version Ramunap and was hoping to get a low costed PW, but this certainly isn’t it
    First two skills are nice, but the mana cost is killing him and third skill is better on someone like lilianna or maybe ob nix.

    • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

      You could just run Chandra.

  • tttttttttt

    All yall saying youre dissapointed in this card have never played a game of fatigue in your life. Let this guy stay on your opponents side and see how long he still sucks to you. Nice hand and board.

    He’s a fixed liliana. plus one discard, minus removal and cute ultimate.

    Also flavor-wise i love it, the first two abilities really make one think about those molten chains he whips around.

    • Aurore

      Red/Black aren’t exactly a fatigue color pair though, they’re more of a “I’m going to kill you hard and fast”. I doubt this will stay in play for long, certainly not long enough to use the minus twice.

      • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

        You do know Grixis control is a thing, right?

        • mehngo

          You know asking these sarcastic questions aimed at making people feel bad doesn’t make people want to discuss with you, right?

  • sansmyhands

    Well, this’ll be cool in limited, I guess.

  • Happy The Cat

    I mean it’s a better Cunning Lethemancer/Creeping Dread and I’m a fan of Dredge/suicide mill so the ult’s great. However the -3… well for starters could just not be -3, Threaten isn’t strong compared to what it used to be and while the confirm killing off any utility creature is helpful, why can’t I just use it twice in a row? Otherwise good card.

  • Сергей Петров

    Oh my, I see my Rakdos 8-rack deck. And this Budget! Sweeeeeeeeeeeet :^)

  • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

    One thing to note is that his -3 can also be used to untap your own creature and give it haste, so you could do something like untap your exerted glorybringer to attack, or you could play a bristling hydra/electrostatic pummeler and immediately give it haste

  • Shagoth

    The ultimate kind of sucks, but I like the +1, it’s pretty brutal. -3 Threaten is being underrated here. People frequently try to make combos that have threatens involve with sacking the creature. Don’t think of it as removal, you basically have a creature for a turn while they don’t.

    • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

      You do know you get to sacrifice the stolen creature at end of turn if it has converted mana cost 3 or less, right?

      • Shagoth


        • Fanatic of Mark Rosewater

          so you know it is in fact conditional removal, right?

          • Shagoth

            …Yeah, you can stop treating me like an idiot now. A lot of creatures in standard are dangerous and three or less.

  • Jude

    …its not horrible .3. Its not gonna be in much but commander but its not bad. The plus is punishing, the minus has a lot of potential, in fact it may see some sideboard to deal with a few things in control decks. The ultimate will hurt if you evwr get to it. Im guessing youre meant to have looped 8 damage via the plus, put 4 cards in their grave by yourself, and then ult for at least 4 damage on top of any you burned or smacked off

  • ConDucktor Whirl Crate God

    Damn…Was hoping for something more…Minotaur Tribal Friendly.

  • TezzeretofCarmot21

    Arrrrr where be the pirate tribal?

  • kmk888

    I don’t see this outside of EDH and Standard. And maybe not Standard. The card seems a bit off on cmc and/or loyalty. Fair walkers are a hard sell for constructed these days. I think Liliana, Death’s Majesty; Nissa, Vital Force; and Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh are all better for their CMC that don’t see much play. It’s hard to meet the bar set by Chandra, Torch of Defiance; Glorybringer; The Scarab God; and Vraska, Relic Seeker.

  • Deadly Berry

    For EDH I must say that this guy is great for certain decks (I’m looking at you Nekusar/Mogis) where the strategy is to wear your opponents down slowly. I don’t think he would be that great in more straightforward decks.

  • David S. McCrae