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  • Steamsteam

    The “do this based on X where X is how much mana is spent to cast…” was an interesting idea that failed. So far, the two out are not impressive. The vampire is alright, the dragon isnt. I hope we get past this shitty mechanic.

    • justmanypeaches

      How did it fail if it isn’t out yet?

    • Pat Whitbeck

      what are you saying, the dragon isnt alright? if he’s your commander then he brings more and more tasty snacks with him each time you cast him. and while his firebreathing ability isnt that great, the deck for him will love some tokens to sacrifice. terrible, terrible things can happen when you have 6 or more bodies to give up to your favorite sac outlet.

      • SCorbs

        I like my infinite combos to involve my generals, thank you very much. Prossh and Jeleva (if her exile ability works the way i think it does), is very easy to go infite combo with. Jeleva hits up any extra turn thing, and bam. All the turns. Or extra combat phase card (which is red’s schtick). Yeah! if her ability DOESN’T work how i think it does, I’m much less interested in her. Prossh + Food Chain + anything that does damage/makes opponents draw cards/mills when a creature leaves play/dies (cause prossh has a sac outlet trigger built in) = WIN!

        • OwlOwl

          it doesnt work like that. If you cast something with Jeleva it’s going to the graveyard. The pretty thing about her is that you can play strong spells from your oppenents (mind that she also exiles enemy library)

  • Steamsteam

    Vish Kal is strictly better then the dragon. Lifelink plus a kill mechanic and gets X where X is the power of the creature sac’d instead of just 1? And Jeleva should be able to cast either any non land from exile or cast instants/sorceries from all exile, not just that exiled from her ability. OR instead, the cards that she exiled before can also be cast next time she gets exiled.

    • David T.

      Well the Dragon is different, it MAKES things to sacrifice, so what if it’s part of a jund devour theme edh deck? You can’t really compare it to another card until you see what it’s the commander of.

      • justmanypeaches

        And it’s in different colors, so they’re different decks.

    • Ludicolo

      Do you have any idea at all what “strictly better” means?
      Vish Kal is in different colors, doesn’t make tokens, and is unaffected by Karthus’s mass-haste, Sarkhan the Mad’s Ulti, or Dragonspeaker Shaman’s price drop.

      Very, very different cards.

  • Strangerjustpassingby

    @Steamsteam:

    1. We don´t know if those two are the intended commanders for the decks, or if they serve as alternate commanders like Animar, Tariel or Damia did. I actually think they´d make for the “second in command”-position.

    2. There´s gonna be a whole deck built around those cards, with another 14 new cards that you may not even think of right now. You can´t build a deck with just one card, so don´t judge them before the complete decklists are in.

    3. Combine Prossh with the Devour-Planechase-Deck and some Sacrifice-Based Cards from Inistrad such as Blood Artist or Skirsdag High Priest==> Great Sacrifice Deck

    4. Grixis, Jeleva´s Color Identity, has Black Removals, Red Pump&Damage-Spells, Blue Tap/Bounce effects, and of course a whole bunch of Izzet(Removal&Damage), Rakdos(Damage/Removal Hybrids) and Dimir Spells(Dimir-Milling + Deck Exiling may finally provide a Commander Deck that can mill the enemy instead of oneself). There is a lot of good stuff to cast. Now combine it with the new chandra: Instant and Sorceries allmost for free.

    5. The decks will be released after Theros is out, or to put it another way: by the time of release, there will be new Mechanics and Cards that may work perfectly with Prossh´s or Jeleva´s Themes.

  • Pilgrim of the Miststalker

    My main-Commander is Uril, the Miststalker, also known as “One of the most overpowered Commanders ever with M14´s new legendary Rule”(really wish it was shorter…). My deck is pretty enchantment-centered, as opposed to the more Creature-based gameplay of Naya, so I’m really interested in the WRG-Deck. The Question is wether or not they´re going to build the decks after the Alara-Pairings; Prossh on one hand feels pretty much like “Devour”, espacially the scape goats he provides for sacrifices, but then again Jeleva´s Exiling kinda works against the “exhume”-strategy of Grixis…

    My guess for the other 3 is:
    -WRG: distributing X +1/+1 Counters…
    -WUB: Enemy looses X Life, you gain X Life…
    -WBG; Brings a flying X/X Token…

    …and some extra, of course, but I guess the basic gist is going to be pretty much like that.

    • Boss Wave

      How does he become the “most over powered general with m13′s new legendary rule?” Please enlighten me, if I am correct you must be making the mistake of each enchantment on other Urils at the table boosting him, yes? In truth the most over powered commander becomes one that can clone.

      • Rezon

        cause he thinks it’ll be unkillable with it. Sorry dude, but Scion is pretty broken.

        • justmanypeaches

          1v1 Geist of Saint Traft is pretty hard to stop now too.

          • CHRIS

            Kaalia poos on both of those haha :)

      • Pilgrim of the Miststalker

        Not my words, but those of my usual play-round. I play Totem-Auras and similar things to save him from Mass Removals, normal Removals can´t target him, and with the new Legendary Rule, he´s not removed by being cloned anymore(about 90% of the times he was dealt with, it was by being cloned). Additionally, with one Aura, he´s usually at about 8/8-10/10, making it pretty hard to kill him in combat once you give him the third Aura. There are only two weaknesses left now:
        1. Sacrificing Effects
        2. Auto-Trigger-Removals(the new Teysa, for example)
        They even called him one of the most overpowered Commanders in a Daily MTG-Article some time ago.

        • Pilgrim of the Miststalker

          Oh, and he can hardly be taken over, or forced to attack/block, or abused in a similar way, because most of those effects target, which usually won´t work on my favorite Gigantic Hexproof Beast

        • Person who knows stuff

          False prophet blocks your mindstalker whilst I activate legions initiative.

          • Pilgrim of the Miststalker

            Okay, I admit I forgot the exile-mass-removals, which beats Totem and Indestructability…but I also forgot to mention several Auras that make Uril unblockable(like Holy&Spirit Mantle), or give him Flying, Landwalk or Protection from Colors. Oh, and Trample. I still win if you´re 2/2 Prophet blocks my 25+/25+ Uril…combined with Alpha Authority and such, of course{^__^}

          • adanac

            Terminus and Bruna can still give you problems as well.

          • Pilgrim of the Miststalker

            Trust me, I´m well aware of that…I´ve been tryin´ to figure out how to beat those two for quite a while now…my best shots so far have been: Calming Verse, Aura Barbs, Strip Bare and Remove Enchantments, which are a little bit to specific to play them in a format without a side-board, except for Remove Enchantments maybe. The best I can think of are Kistune Mystic and Flickerform, the later working for both Bruna and Terminus.

          • adanac

            Flickerform is probably your best bet, as it is useful wether you are playing against bruna/terminus or not.

          • Garrett Horton

            tranquility destroy all enchantments :D

          • Garrett Horton

            fog
            angus mackenzie
            riot control
            angel’s grace ( granted for turn only
            platinum angel
            gisela, blade of goldnight

            i think tho my favorite thing would be insurrection and kill you with your own general lol

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Wow that’s pretty good, but good luck with doing that over a short period of time. Lots of commanders can react to things like that very quickly, quicker than you think.

          • D.j. Young

            That’s why i would put flicker form on him. Then he’s invulnerable to just about everything if you have the mana open for it.

          • Alex Stewart

            This has so much win in it

          • Fbn Dnl Schlr

            Doesn’t work. The prophet doesn’t die when exiled with Legion’s Initiative.

        • Brad

          Um… Commanders don’t die to the Legendary rule, even before. If a Clone targets the commander, the Clone dies, the Commander lives. You been playing it wrong.

          • Garrett Horton

            depends on local ruling for that

          • SoruRoku

            That was the OLD old legend rule, back when legendary permanents were first added. Clearly you haven’t played magic in recent years. Clones kill both. Even in Commander. If it weren’t, then cards wouldn’t be close to balanced, as they are with the new ruling.
            I played a stupid deck in standard just because of that same ruling, and 90% of EDH groups confirm the actual rule was what they used.

          • MrQuestionMark

            That’s using the French rules. Normal rules clones used to kill commanders.

          • Mark

            youre the one who has been playing wrong

        • CHRIS

          im pretty sure thraximundar beats him all day long

    • cfranks

      Uril is certainly better with the new legend rule but he is by no means one of the most overpowered commanders, not even close.
      Animar, Azusa, Rafiq, Jhoira, Mayael, Kaalia all are certainly stronger and many others are too. That being said he is a really fun general.

      • theuseless

        Sorry but uril is far better than mayael. Even with 40 targets she fails too often

        • cfranks

          No that’s not even true. When you build the deck, if you are at all competent with designing which I assume you are, you build for the general to be at maximum potency (if you plan on using the general at all at least). You use various ways to dig and get multiple activations a turn. Sylvan library, scroll rack, illusionist bracers, harrow, cultivate, kodamas reach, Domri Rade, explosive vegetation, Garruk primal hunter, Garruk caller of beasts, souls majesty, rings of brighthearth and Seedborn muse to name a few are all incredibly potent examples. you don’t need 40 targets, 25 to 30 and then utility cards is the way to go. Even with Uril no longer clone vulnerable he is still very board wrathable . There are two arguably three better generals for auras, Zur, Rafiq (if you go this route) and maybe Bruna. As for naya, Mayael is significantly stronger and Rith the awakener naya tokens is an incredibly quick and powerful overun of creatures. Arguing Mayael will fail often if she has no support cards is like saying Uril will if you play no aura’s, Sharuum will with no artifacts or Azusa will with no lands.

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            I defiantly agree with you on everything, but you really don’t need any planeswalkers at all. With a deck as powerful as hers, planeswalkers really isn’t needed. That’s just my experience with her. It all mostly depends on your opponent and how he/she plays.

        • MtgMind-Welder98

          That’s not really true though. I use Mayael, as you can see, and she is actually overpowered. My deck is simple, it’s all about putting huge creatures into play as fast as possible. She uses creatures like Elvish Piper, artifacts like Quicksilver Amulet, and enchantments like Defense of the Heart put down over powered creatures like Platinum Emerion; Vorinlex, Voice of Hunger; Iona, Shield of Emeria; Emrakul, the Aeons Torn; Balefire Dragon; Thundermaw Hellkite; Godsire; Avacyn, Angel of Hope; and so on. Plus she is a 3 mana drop. It’s much easier and quicker to put her into play and there’s no doubt about it. My deck has 41 creatures and about 6 of them has power less than 5.

          • Bas Yuksel

            Emrakul. Your deck is awesome; using banned cards etc. You’re just making those up, are you not?

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Sort of. I don’t have ALL those cards but I am trying to get them. If you use creatures like that together it can be really powerful, plus removals like Beast Within and Swords of the Plowshares are good for this kind of stuff. Also I don’t think I will use Emrakul; it’s really just an opinion based on how you use your magic deck and how you can make it more powerful. I understand it sounds like I am screaming big creatures and overpowered cards but really I am trying to make this. The hardest thing about making it I probably wont succeed in is the non-basic lands because it will be the most expensive.

        • MtgMind-Welder98

          I know it was a while ago but I meant to respond to Pilgim of the Miststalker

    • Wilmer Claessens

      I think WUB also has a chance for artifact converted mana cost x from deck to hand/battlefield or some card draw??

  • Thatguy

    Do you think they will put in sol ring or thran dy. in this set or not?

    • ProfessorTallguy

      Thran dynamo yes, Sol Ring No.

      • g6r6i6m

        why not both…

  • SKulz

    Jeleva + cruel ultimatum

    • cfranks

      Indeed, its gonna be harsh

      • Garrett Horton

        jeleva + relentless assault………

        • MtgMind-Welder98

          then cast reverberate from your hand, while casting an exiled time warp

          • Garrett Horton

            why not an exiled time stretch?

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            NOW YOUR TALKING!!! :-)

          • Garrett Horton

            well i have a bolas deck hardest thing was getting a general i liked i started with crosis for colors moved to bolas himself and now using sedris cause he can unearth combos for me
            but i been debating moving my bolas to a 5 color deck i think this guy is making me wana keep it bolas i just wana see the other legendaries these decks bring
            cause heres the list of bombs she can cast for me
            6 different board wipes 1 being decree of annihilation which is possibly the biggest f you card in EDH
            3 different searches
            time stretch and time warp

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Yah your right. you should just stick with 3 colors ’cause that would make it harder to do 4 or more color combinations and making it work. Good luck on your deck ;-)

          • Garrett Horton

            well my bolas deck is kinda derpy lol
            my most common opponent is a token deck so im overloaded with board wipes and spot removal for rhys

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Thats funny. U would figure opponents u have faced would have learned from their mistakes

          • Garrett Horton

            i might post a deck list somewhere later this week and post a link for you i run some really interesting combos and some really huge bombs

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Sweet I would love that! I usually have a hard time with Bolas colors and combos I would like to see. Thanks a lot for that, I appreciate it :)

          • Garrett Horton

            omg my opinion is bolas is just overloaded with combos
            tamiyo ultimate +omniscience+any sorcery/instant
            kiki-jiki/splinter twin +deceiver exarch/(emrakul’s hatcher+umbal mantle)
            splinter twin+captain of the mists
            time sieve + thopter assembly
            have you ever built an izzet deck?

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Yah I love the Izzet guild. Control/Burn and Direct damage? Thats combo is amazing, IZZET?

          • Garrett Horton

            bolas is izzet with tutors
            i actually pulled a pyromaster last night i might switch something for her but i might use her for trade bait
            imo her trade value is higher then her value in my deck

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Yah that’s true

          • Garrett Horton

            imo black is best as a support color
            using it for tutors
            or to play with graveyard
            blacks main gameplay elements are

            pay 1 life to draw 1 card (phyrexian arena)
            searching (diabolic tutor)
            playing in graveyards (sheoldred, whispering one)
            causing loss of life (Exsanguinate)
            hand destruction (Myojin of Night’s Reach)

          • Garrett Horton

            posted my favorite for each category

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Where I live I don’t tend to see a lot of people playing EDH which makes me upset because I am working really hard on my Mayael the Anima deck and I have less than 1/3 finished. I hope I see more people in the future playing EDH when I am done, or when I am finished with other ones I make.

            I am glad you should me some ideas with the color black. I happen to be working on a U/B commander deck on the side of Mayael that involves Zombies, sacrificing, and some control. My commander is Grimgin, corpse-Born who is very decent.

            I actually like playing Sealed,Drafts, and sometimes Modern. I don’t play Standard as well but I might get into it more when Theros comes out. Thanks! :)

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            By the way it would be awesome if you have any advice for the UB Zombie EDH deck I am making.

            I am trying to find good combo uses of sacrificing and exiling yourself and others, like for a basic example Disciple of Griselbrand/Blood Artist/Mortician Beetle, but I want something more complex, but I just can’t figure it out. Dx

          • Garrett Horton

            personally im gunna try and push you to blue green black
            and replace zombie with Dredge theme
            the deck revolves around putting your deck in your graveyard then using either blacks reanimation or greens revival abilities
            i bun one with mimeoplasm as my general and its one my favorite decks
            with combos like a 15/15 trample infect haste creature

            i have 4 edh decks
            bolas/5 color combo deck
            U/G/B dredge reanimation self mill laboratory maniac
            B/W Extort i know theres not a lot of extort effects but i built the deck where i want extort to be my main goal
            R/W life gain weenies and a lil splash of tokens
            let me know what you want you want to see im happy to share my builds

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Sure I would like to see your U/G/B EDH deck. Thanks :D

          • Garrett Horton

            mtgdeckbuilder(dot)net/Decks/ViewDeck/842709

            lets see how many of my combos you can find :D

          • Garrett Horton

            let me know if you want any others posted

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Alright thanks LOOKING AT THE DECK NOW! :)

          • Garrett Horton

            sounds good :) its prly my favorite deck to play

          • Garrett Horton

            so what you think of mimeoplasm?

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Very nice, very nice. I really like your EDH deck, but I have decide to continue down the road of UB EDH with zombies.

            Yesterday, I worked on it and created black creature pumps(zombies you control get +1/+1), combined it with some mill(mind grind,mind funeral, traumatize, etc.) and some control spells using Snapcaster Mage as well(Dissipate, mana leak, countersquall, doomblade, etc)

            I am glad that you should me your Mimeoplasm deck, it’s a great deck too, and I thank you for that. Thanks a lot dude :D

          • Garrett Horton

            i never got into zombies they have more of a standard or token feel

          • Mick Moore

            If you are making a UB Zombie deck that includes mill, I totally recommend ‘Lich Lord of Unx’. And of course the Bloodcrank combo (Bloodchief Ascension and Mindcrank).
            Happy building!

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            I already got the Lich but the Bloodcrack combo is AWESOME! Why didn’t I think of that?

            Thanks a lot on the info! :D

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Just to give you some detail, my basically create a lot of Zombies and I ether just swing with the help of cards like Death Baron, Cemetery Reaper, Lord of the Undead, and Undead Warchief or use Undead Alchemist, Geralf’s Mindcrusher, or even Geth.

            My deck also includes:
            -Control,(Snapcaster, Despise, Doomblade, Recoil, Counterspell, Dissipate, Far//Away)
            -Clones or Takers(Soul Ransom, Telemin Performance, Beguiler of wills, Evil Twins, Phyrexian Metamorph, Clone,etc.)
            -Mill(Hedron Crab, Lich Lord of Unx, Cricu, Glimpse the Unthinkable, Millstone, Mindgrind, Memory Erosion, Mind Funeral, Traumatize, Nephalia)
            -Some Sacking combos(Corpse Harvester,Blood Artist, Grimgrin, Geralf’s Messenger)
            -Planeswalkers(Jace Beleran, Jace Memory Adept, Liliana Vess, Sorin Markov, and I will definitely Ashoik when she comes out)
            -And Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker is my commander.
            Please give me any more ideas I really appreciate it thanks! :D

          • chandlerpatrick

            I have a Grimgrin tribal zombies, and it’s fun. Not to competitive. I have rooftop storm + grave crawler + grimgrin for lots of counters on him. Gravecrawler is a linch pin in my deck. The reassembling skeleton is also very strong. My playgroup only allows 20 rares, and cards after 1998 (to curb degenerate infinate – although it still happens), so I don’t use bloodghast or nether traitor, but I would If i could.

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Thanks for your thought! I would have replied earlier but my computer messed up for a while and I had to fix it :)

          • Jordan

            black is the best color for single spells/permanents that don’t rely on other cards. Demonic tutor, griselbrand (even in non-edh), necropotence, etc etc.

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            I just looked at your EDH deck…IT’S AWESOME! The combos are all good and all the cards in it count, but may I suggest Chandra, Pyromaster? IZZET okay for her as a side board, it is okay if you don’t want her considering her +1 would practically be worthless later on in the game.

    • Justin

      mother of god…

    • GreenHulk

      Strionic Resonator triggering Jeleva’s ‘Whenever’ ability and TWO Cruel Ultimatum…

  • theVIZZERDRIX

    it’s a shame that rughahh of kher keep is on the reserved list as the new jund legendary is in color and is a decent source of kobolds of kher keep

  • Sean Mclorie

    well at least prosh is better than darigaaz

  • Fatherhollis

    well i would imagine that each deck will have a legendary dragon, just like the other commander decks. probably all come with shard colored tap lands and command towers. hopefully sol ring again, and i dont see why they wouldn’t. pretty dissapointing though i was really hoping for more wedge color commanders.

    • risu

      i doubt we will see the ring again, but we might see the top since that is a huge card in commander

  • William S. Miller

    esper esper esper esper esper esper. . .come’on give me an esper deck. . .

  • Sani Tomuli Koskimäki

    2 or 3 fetches per box would be nice, we need reprints.

    • guest

      i second that! hopefully it is onslaught fetches also! or even all 10! but def onslaught because the prices of those 5 fetches are killing me. i keep trying to complete play-sets but every time i go to buy another copy of polluted delta… im paying double the price. wizards please save us

      • MtgMind-Welder98

        Third on that as well good sir!

    • Anon

      Oh god no. Just think for a minute what would happen if the commander decks were printed with such money cards in them. I can assure you that instead of buying one or two decks at your store for close to the $30 MSRP you’ll have to pay over $100 online for them.

  • Andy Dondes

    i guess we also will see legendary esper naya and bant commanders saying:
    ______________________________________________, Where x is the amount of mana spent to cast ____________

  • mark

    I have a platinum angel in my Uril EDH, and sometimes im lucky enough to have avacyn and then play platinum angel and acetisism (spellcheck)

    • anonymous

      Terminus.

      • Guest

        Ghostway

        • Levi Warren

          Storm Crow.

          • Fbn Dnl Schlr

            Chimney Imp!

          • risu

            karn, several extra turns into new game……also storm crow ftw

        • Derp

          Twincast

  • MtgMind-Welder98

    I wonder when wizards will reveal a new Commander…

    • Dan Vongsa

      I don’t know what got me so addicted to the previous Commander zone series and the upcoming, and I’ve only played MTG for about up to just 1 year. I guess it’s just each of the Commanders’ uniqueness and representations that lure my desires for them, no matter what the color combination.
      My most favorite right now though is perhaps… Edric the Spymaster or Riku of Two Reflections.

      • MtgMind-Welder98

        True, and by the way does an know how much these will cost?

        • Xiayz

          MSRP is $30 a piece.

          • Vathian

            Err…$30 per deck

          • Bento

            XD I was gonna say…. Whoa bro.

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            K thanks :D

    • Michael Melton

      probably after theros launches in a few weeks

      • MtgMind-Welder98

        K thanks for the info :D At least I have a decent out look on when they will show so more.

  • C_B

    What worries me slightly is that the grixis commander seems to be in the blue box…

    Perhaps they wont all be shard colours after all?

    • Scott L Jeffrey

      they will be the shard colours, also the reason the grixis commander is in the blue box is because its frist coloured mana symbol is blue

      • Patrick

        looks you’re theory didn’t pan out according to the spoiled box pic of Oloro

  • Pudding

    In regards to the Jund general, picture this: Ashnod’s Altar and Gemstone Array. Do some maths and think about it ^^

    • INF is NOOB!

      Even phyrexian Altar is inf with him. But if you are playing INF combos in EDH then your a loser.

      • theuseless

        If wizards had a problem with infinate combos, they would deal with it. If you don’t like people to go infinate… simply force them to announce and enact each step. This strategy works well online. I have won games because everybody else quit, while johnny combo didnt actually have it. If you make them pay to play, they will pull it less often…

        • Jordan

          if you make someone pay to play, you’ll see more infinite. and please spell it right :) wotc doesn’t always see the combos as they can’t possibly test every new card against over 5k older cards. and online, a person can right click and hit auto accept. they only need to keep doing the trigger till you’re dead anyway.

          • Silver

            sorry, but if wizard didnt saw that a creature with an ability that begins with “sacrifice a(nother9 creature: do x” goes into the infinite with almost everything, they maybe be a little bit inept. Many many deck have won with infinite sacrifice combos, the more recent being the melira combo in moderm (which is also jund color: murderous recap, melira, sacrifice outlet = infinite damage) I highly doubt that they will include a combo in the deck, but they know thet possibility is there.

        • guest

          I always just vote kick players when they infinite.

  • Dustin Mosley

    To everyone talking about fetch lands being reprinted in commander 2013 I can tell you 100% they will not be reprinted in this set. Wizards have said that they will be reprinting the onslaught fetches in the next couple years. I dont know about the zendikar ones.

    • guy

      we wouldn’t want them in the commander set anyways, way to few prints. we want them either a first expansion (like zendikar or onslaught were) or a core set like M15. modern needs them, it doesn’t make sense to only allow enemy colors to fetches.

  • Eikkert

    I notice that in the picture of the commander packaging Jevla has no expansion symbol

    • MtgMind-Welder98

      Wow…I didn’t notice that.

      I feel so stupid Dx

      • Eikkert

        Meh its a little thing that took me a long time too

        • MtgMind-Welder98

          Well thanks for understanding :D

    • Vath

      That’s because it’s one of the oversized cards, just like the last Commander set.

  • JaceDovah

    I bet there’ll be the other 5 legendary dragons: Crosis, Darigaaz, Dromar, Rith and Treva, such as the big five from the previous Commander decks, so that all 10 three-colored combinations will be available :D

    • Bennyboy

      Well you were wrong before you finished writing your post….

      • JaceDovah

        why wrong?

        • risu

          there are the big boy dragons as well, with bolas and his kin

          • TETSUO!!!

            I’d rather have the Invasion Force 5 dragons. Especially cuz ubr and wbu look pretty tasty to me, and those are the only of the classic 5 i need for my collection.

  • Matt Stone

    I’d like to see Mana Reflection – just the Reflection cycle as a whole.

    Spoilers in about 2-3 weeks? Will seem like a lifetime.

    • MtgMind-Welder98

      Same here…still waiting… :(

    • TehBadaxe

      I only have Pain&Thought… I got offered a Mana from a friend, but I didn’t have the money at the time.. :/ I want Mana to go with them though now that I have Erebos for my Vorosh!! So much draw to tap in to. I’m so excited to adjust my decks with Theros cards. Or make a new mono-black or W/B because of the Gray Merchant of Asphodel with flicker effects. I love getting bigger card pools.

  • TheDeathPotato

    these aren’t even fully spoiled and i already want them all

  • guy

    each deck that contains red needs to include imperial recruiter. this card should be valued 5-15 dollars, but due to small print runs, supply is greatly under matched so its true value is grossly exaggeration. of course imperical recruiter should not be in standard or modern so wizards can’t print them in other sets, commander would be the set to put more imperial recruiters into the market to help make up for it’s small print and false price. this could also imply to blacks grim tutor, and of course those against these actions are collectors with an impressive collection that have no desire to see players pick up these cards at their more true value. so comes down to this: you a player or are you a collector?

    • Garrett Horton

      im a player and i say NO
      reasoning: too many people will clear the shelves of the red decks and sit on them unopened or post on EBAY at jacked up prices to match the imperial recruiter thats inside
      just my opinion on that

  • Mick Cortella

    we NEED SOME DAMN SPOILERS!!!!

    • MtgMind-Welder98

      Agreed….WE NEEDS IT!

    • Wilmer Claessens

      I’m checking this 4 times a day for the last month.. And no single card spoiled :c

      • Bdock3601

        the spoilers start next week the 14th i think

        • MagicGALAXY

          Thanks for info. Jack!

          P.S. <3 that show ;)

        • Wilmer Claessens

          Yeah I figured :D

  • ME

    Do the oversized cards have to follow the reserved list? ie have a small expansion of only oversized cards that could have Adun Oakenshield or Hazezon Tamar?

    • Anonymous

      No it doesn’t. In the promo Commander’s Arsenal, you had an oversised Sliver Queen

      • Skyfolk

        However, they will not print one in a Commander Precon set. As a separate promo? Sure.

  • Huntmaster

    Any chance of seeing a werewolf commander? I would sell my lotus for that.

    • littlered

      you keep you lotus guardian, its worthless anyways…just like a werewolf commander would be HA HA.

      • MtgMind-Welder98

        The Innistrad block left standard less than a month ago; we need something to heal that arrow in the knee.

        Like a Werewolf commander.

        That would be perfect with Jund colors.

        • TehBadaxe

          Especially with old black werewolf infect capabilities! Like it’s etb effect healed you equal to the mana spent on it, when it flipped to wolf it puts 3 -1/-1 counters divided as it chose to creatures on the board, and when it flips back to human it puts 3 +1/+1 counters divided as you choose on creatures on board. That’d be pretty cool. Seems just as good as that Esper one, considering how conditional this card would be. Haha

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            I am glad you are with me on this :)

    • ME

      Maybe in jund? My honest guess is no

  • MtgMind-Welder98

    Every freaking day I come to this website and mythicspoilers(dot)com……and…..nothing. The waiting is killing me Dx

  • Guest

    New spoiler, youre welcome.

  • Guest

    New Spoiler, youre welcome.

  • SliverGod

    New Spoiler. What do you guys think? Real or not?

    • xXCigarXx

      *sigh* this general looks like the herp derp squad has arrived with their annoying lock down decks cant wait for this and stasis kismet to rule my meta woooo and it has green so they can ramp into the annoying lockdown. I really hope its fake =/

      • SliverGod

        This and Eldric, happy fun times for all!

      • Garrett Horton

        i like it better then angus Mcfagtard stalling forever

        • Minomelo

          More like Angus McSeventy-Five-Fucking-Dollars. :P

          • Garrett Horton

            you can get 1 for 60-65 on TCG in light play

          • Minomelo

            That is still $60. :P

  • me

    derevI is hopefully fake bc functionally it can only work as the general. imo the second ability should just be put it into play from any zone. instant speed uncounterable twiddle and has the panglacial wurm ability if your searching your library. the way it’s worded is the opposite of how prosh and jeleva work.

  • SliverGod

    Got another one for you guys! This one is kind of bonkers.

    • Garrett Horton

      based on the name eternal bargain im thinking its gunna be extort like

      • Skyfolk

        Yep, clearly a life-drain themed deck.

  • lotered

    I’d like to point out that in Derevi’s last ability it refers to him simply as Derevi where as in Prossh’s and Jeleva’s it refers to them by the full titles. Are there other precedents of this in Derevi’s case or is it a sign of Derevi’s forgery?

    • Minomelo

      It’s the second reference to his name on the card, they always skip the title of legends after the first instance.

      For an example, look at Jeleva’s third ability.

      • lotered

        I figured there might have been a precedent, I was just lazy I guess. Thanks for pointing that out.

  • steve

    I don’t know how I feel about the command zone actually being considered now. I can easily see them making instance and sorceries have some effect towards them.

  • ReDMillioN

    I can see it now, “Return target players commander to the command zone.”

    • that guy

      aka “exile target creature”….

      • ReDMillioN

        Just trying to be flavorful. ;)

    • MrQuestionMark

      That’s an interesting way of getting around hexproof and shroud… But I think there would need to be a “if it’s on the battlefield” clause of some sort as well.

      • jceddy

        I have a feeling we’d more likely get a spell to return all commanders to the commander zone.

  • MtgMind-Welder98

    Cool I like all the commanders. So, what would be the next future commanders? I created my own little list so;

    1.) Skeleton ( some sort of death Mage)

    2.) Elemental

    3.) Merfolk

    4.) Devil

    5.) Squirrel ( what? I want them to come back with a commander so what?)

    • RoboTom

      I’d be game for the following;
      Rhox Knight
      Elephant Cleric
      Viashino Assassin
      Human Berserker
      Dwarf Rogue

      • MtgMind-Welder98

        Seems pretty dang good to me my friend :D

        • RoboTom

          Seriously, we need more viashino. I love viashino so much. Viashino are the best of the races in my mind. Bring back viashino, dwarves, and more berserkers. WE HAVE BERSERKERS FOR A REASON! USE THE BERSERKERS, SET DEVELOPERS!!

          • MtgMind-Welder98

            Yah!!! And don’t forget the FREAKING SQUIRRELS!!!! THERE IS NEVER ENOUGH SQUIRRELS xD

          • RoboTom

            I like where your head’s at, son. Let’s go back to Dominaria, while we’re at it. URBORG! SHIV! BENALIA! VODALIA! LLANOWAR! THE COALITION WILL RISE AGAIN!!

      • Ludicolo

        Still waiting for a skeleton pirate…

    • TheOneGuy

      We need a “teenage” subtype, ’cause then every changeling will be a TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLE!

      • MtgMind-Welder98

        YES!!!

      • Innocent Bystander

        thank you. just….. thank you

  • Xinta

    I just see Prossh beeing a good commander cause besisdes his cast effect he is first a all a free sac outlet; good for jund, and can hit hard. the grixis commander just mills to less cards since it doesnt seem that u can blink him to mill more, for esper i had thought of something with either artifacts or controll, and not of a bad Obzedat, furthermore i think the naya commander is not good at all, and well the bant commander is nice but he sucks if hes not ur commander and well then there are just better commanders in this color combination, eg rafiq or Jenara

    • Xinta

      To make a conclusion: in my eys Prossh is the only commander that says to me ‘dude u can build a good deck around me’

      • Wiggy

        Grixis is good, a 1/3 with flying that lets you cast instants and sorceries for free just by attacking? So expendable so who cares if she dies, just play her again and mill more.

        Marath isn’t super overpowered, but he has good abilities that tie in well with Naya colors. Very easy to exploit his ability and with green you wont be afraid to use all his counters up and replay him. He’ll be pretty good.

        Oloro is 100% consistent lifegain no matter where he is, I can almost guarantee 16-20 life every game, plus he is a decent draw outlet. The lifegain stalls the fast decks till you can play him and draw into your best control cards/win conditions. I think he’ll be very good.

        Derevi is actually good. Think about it, a green-white token deck that spawns so many tokens by the time you get your general out you just board lock them. And it has blue so its going to have the perfect amount of control to keep people off your stuff, plus the fact that your general never costs more than 4.

        Think outside the box, every one of these generals is easily exploitable.

        • Alex Egertsen

          honestly I find the Esper one a bit sick with the fact you will be about 10 life ahead of everyone on the board before they start swingy swingy at you

        • Znobriga

          Marath would be better in a vorel Commander deck rather then be a commander that way he can be used to his true potential.

        • Xinta

          Well, after a talk to a friend of mine and a bit thinking about the cards, i would say well u guys are right, the Bant commander is possibly well for some sort of Bant Lockdown/Boardcontroll, basicly the esper one yeah not what i expeced but well the card draw is nice and with maybe an sanguine bond or exquisite blood, can make massive life difference, and with something like a well of lost dreams in example might give you a huge card/ draw adventage, well with doubling season, parralel life etc even Marath might do a good job, but the grixis commander well ima gonna build him anyways cause i want to build a grixis deck and dont like traximundar or sedris, and his atack trigger is quite awsome! but i think he might mill a to less, when you think of an omnath edh or something u would just do nothing when she attacks and since ur not playing a complete ramp edh u wont be able to cast her too often, might be good when it would trigger if you blink her , or can bounce herfrequently to get a huge stock of cards, furthermore

          • Xinta

            when u play in maybe a pentragramm and you cast her for 4 mana u are effectifly milling 16 cards, so it seems like she might bee really good for a multiplayer game cause you may cast an instant or sorcery no matter if its the defending players or not. would just be nice if there is a way to increase the ammount of the cards exiled with her. Has anyone of you guys an idea for a deck based on the Grixis commander?, btw i hope the rest of the 51 new cards will be spoilered soon, i hope there will be good new cards that are also playable outside of the edh theme, like flusterstorm or scavaging ooze etc

          • TehBadaxe

            Jelava exiles from the top of each player’s library, so that means yours as well. This gets you that much closer to Increasing Ambition, Covenant of the Minds, or so many other things you just don’t want to spend mana on. To me that makes her so much better because maybe I got her to exile Worldfire, so then I cast Aetherling, swing to cast Worldfire, and flicker Aetherling so he is the only permanent, and I just go to win from there. Being able to cast Plaguewind during declare attackers seems pretty cool too.

          • Random Person

            Worldfire is banned in EDH…

          • TehBadaxe

            Yeah, my friend told me this shortly after I explained that to him…

          • TehBadaxe

            Warp World could be fun to cast with her though!

    • Nick Melanson

      All I can say is that Rafiq and Jenara are voltron generals. I’m not sure why you think Derevi is one but I don’t see it that way, different generals can do different things.

  • Nick Melanson

    The Dragon is the only one with one creature type, and there are two wizards. Also for some reason the first thing I thought when I saw Derevi is bird/wizard tribal. Especially cards like Aven Brigadier, Battle Screech, Flurry of Wings, and my personal favorite: Keeper of the Nine Gales. Don’t particularly like bant but, I might give this a try.

    • Luckbox McGambleshack

      This is a good point.

  • ReDMillioN

    Now, to see the other two commanders for each deck to be spoiled.

    • Bennyboy

      Umm, all the Commanders have been spoiled I believe…. 5 decks, 5 Commanders.

      • ReDMillioN

        Each Commander Box includes a 100-card preconstructed deck and three oversized, foil legendary Commander cards.

        • Bennyboy

          Oh I see, nice so we will get a choice of Commander, that makes more sense now.

      • Chris Kidd

        Doubt there only putting one playable commander in each deck.

      • PhantomWarrior

        In fact, the previous commander decks included three of them for each pack, so most people thinks they will be the same. Since the second commander will be a dragon of the Invasion (or maybe Legends¡) expansion, still we can expect a new commander for each.

  • Yawgmoth’s Hat

    Does anyone else really wish they would release a Phyrexian-themed commander? Something old-style Phyrexian? Something that was just dark and hateful and sickeningly cool in style?

  • Chris Kidd

    I love oloro he looks really promising for a stall deck.

    • IAmGnarles

      Stalling an already long commander game?

      You are a sick man…

  • Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

    Jeleva’s art is amazing!

  • Lame Vampire from Coldsnap

    I’m excited for Jeleva. Now I can make an all-vampire EDH deck and include blue without having to use that one crappy vampire from Coldsnap.

    • Chris Kidd

      Brilliant I’m stealing that Idea

      • Nova Akita

        You do realize, there are numerous red blue and black vampire cards yes? I have built loads of all vamp decks that are red blue and black. hell now I even have on ewith white in it. using the white and black vamps from ravnica set.

        • BWH

          There are currently only two vampires that are all three of those colors. Only one of those is legendary. So right now if you want to make an all-vampire EDH deck in those colors, you have to use Garza Zol as your commander.

  • Erik Stokely

    With Marath, Will of the Wild can you put o/o tokens into play

    • Ludicolo

      On the same day it was spoiled it was also errata’d to say “X can’t be 0″

      • Erik Stokely

        damn that would be just so sweet

        • MtgMind-Welder98

          That would have made it…broken.

    • Marath

      I don’t think so, because they would die immediately, having zero toughness

  • NovaAkita

    I think some decent planeswalkers as commanders would be a nice change. one planeswalker per commander. hell all new walkers made exclusively for the commander sets.

    • risu

      you understand a walker cant be a commander unless you play experiment kraj correct?

      • Yeahthatsme

        Planewalkers can’t be commanders even if you play Experiment Kraj.

        • MtgMind-Welder98

          Still though, it would be nice to have at least 1 Planeswalker in every box :)

          • Zachary!

            Don’t say that!
            They’ll give us more prints of Tibbalt. D:

          • MagicGALAXY

            Tibalt*

            Who knows, Wizards might print a new better or at least improved Tibalt in the future.

            Besides he’s not as bad as Wood Elemental. Any magic player will tell you that.

          • Whatdoesthefoxsay

            You’re forgetting the worst card in the game, chimney imp…..

          • MagicGALAXY

            True it is very bad, but it is actually playable. I would rather play it any day instead of Wood Elemental; not even worth it’s casting cost.

          • Nova Akita

            I am just saying that one planeswalker per box would be nice. Something different and unique. something they would not normally do. planeswalkers and commanders alike are made for battle, and to enhance battle, so I think it would make a great pair.

        • risu

          you can turn kraj into a plansewalker, thats the only way to have a planeswalker as a comander

          • Guest

            Since when can you do that? Planeswalkers don’t have +1/+1 counters, they have loyalty counters…

          • risu

            *cracks my neck*ok here’s how you do it, step one is to use a mycosynth lattic to make everything an artifact, then march of the machines to turn that useless jace the mind sculpter into and artifact creature, then tap the kraj and give jace a counter, and now kraj has the activated abilities of jace, they kill it, and you play a new walker, like maybe tamiyo, and bam activate her ultimate if you have enough loyalty on him at this point. they had to change how the rules worked on loyalty because build a plansewalker was getting stupid,

      • Nova Akita

        all they need to do, like they do every year, is adjust the ruling a little. they redo the rules for nearly every set/block anyways.

  • MagicGALAXY

    There are some new stuff on mthyicspoilers(dot)com you should check out!

  • Iaco

    occhio del fato = when eye of doom enters in the battlefield every player puts a fate counter on a permanent that controll. 2 TAP destroy every permanent with a fate counter on it

    • Nighthaze

      You also have to sac acchio del fato ;)

  • Gabriel Chase

    Really liking the possibilities you can have with Nekusar, the Mindrazer.

    • grg

      Liliana’s Caress/Megrim, Prosperity, Windfall, and the Vedalken guy that does Windfall as an AA.

      • Correct*

        jace’s archivist

      • JustAGhost

        Underworld Dreams, Spiteful Visions, Phyrexian Tyranny, Forced Fruition,
        Teferi’s Puzzle Box, Font of Mythos, Howling Mine, Mikokoro Center of
        the Sea, Otherworld Atlas, Temple Bell, Horn of Greed, Memory Jar,
        Seizan Perverter of Truth, Jace’s Archivist, Dragon Mage, Kami of the
        Crescent Moon, Kederekt Parasite, Lore Broker, Shocker, Barbed Shocker,
        Robber Fly, Whirlpool Warrior, Magus of the Jar, Runed Servitor,
        Timetwister, Time Spiral, Wheel of Fortune, Wheel of Fate, Wheel and Deal, Prosperity, Minds Aglow, Molten
        Psyche, Winds of Change, Reforge the Soul, Incendiary Command, Burning
        Inquiry, Chandra Ablaze, Jace Beleren and Jace, Memory Adept, the list goes on.

    • James

      Jace, Memory Adept

  • Tetsuo!!

    When we getting the allied color rare legends?? I GOTTA KNOW WHAT THEY ARE!!! THE SUSPENSE IS LITERALLY KILLING ME!
    Mostly just care about what UB and BR look like.

    • Paralyze

      Dont think you should count on those 2 colour combos.. UB gave us Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Vela the Night-Clad, Szadek, Lord of Secrets for UB and Nin, the Pain Artist for RB last time.. so if anything MAYBE they will make a new RB… but i expect them to make the flipped Allied / Hostile Colour combos compared to what has already been released in Commander regi.

      • JustAGhost

        Nin is UR, not UB.

        • Paralyze

          even better… “and Nin, the Pain Artist for RB”….. RB… but nice try to correct..

          • TheZombologist

            I know the allied pair legends are probably played out a bit, but I don’t care, I just want more. I know I boarder on creepy fanboy concept freak, but I would love a UB zombie lord and an BR viashino thing.

          • JustAGhost

            Yah, open mouth insert foot.

            Nin as RB would have made sense, though. Blue is all about card draw, but we’ve seen lot’s of Black cards that sacrifice health for more cards, so making her RB would have fit nicely. Though I’m not sure if there’s ever been a Black-affinity Vedalken..

  • Dustin Weeks

    Honestly im currently most interested in the Bant colored deck. Derevi and Roon both seem to have an interesting synergy. And with what im seeing so far it could possibly lead into some really interesting and unique combos with recasting come into play and tap effects. I need to see more but i really think that ill have the most fun with it.

  • JustAGhost

    So no new dual colored legends? Bummer..

    • The Apocalist

      I was also quite disappointed by the lack of new dual colored legends.

      • Herpdederp

        There will 5 more gods in each of the sets for theros block at least 5 of which are two color.

        • The Apocalist

          Yeah, but I didn’t necessarily want gods. I just wanted flavorful legends.

  • Dustin Weeks

    What i took from this was “Hey guys the third commanders are already something that we have printed before.” *crossess fingers praying for dragons.*

    • The Apocalist

      Me too, man. Me too.

      • Mr. Squirrel

        That feel. Ungh…

      • Dustin Weeks

        The biggest reason i want them is so i can actually finish my 5 color dragon deck cause it would be cool to have the others me and my friend already have the dragons that came in the previous commander sets. i use cards like guild feud and call to the kindred to speed up there summoning. And if that doesnt work i like to use Scion of the Ur dragon to sac dragons to the gaveyard then cast living death. Its incredibly brutal.

        • Magneto

          Great story brother.

  • MagicSpoiler

    Is this the best Commander product released so far? We think it is!

  • Liam Smith

    Is it just me or does the bant deck only have 2 commanders? Isn’t there supposed to be three for each set?

    • Dustin Weeks

      They havent released the third bant commander yet because its something that is already in print. They were focusing on spoiling the cards that were going to be new first.

      • Liam Smith

        Oh sweet thanks man. I was just a tad bit worried

        • Dustin Weeks

          No problem alot of people (Me included) believe the third commanders are going to be the dragons that were like the ones released in the last set.

          • IamPd

            the full decklists are spoiled for some days now, no dragons as third commanders.

          • Dustin Weeks

            I was dissapointed for all of about three seconds when i found that out. but when i saw the decklist my excitement for the bant deck has been double theres so much i have that could improve it so many different ways to make it work its just so exciting. Though im terrified of what the Jeleva deck is gonna be able to do. The ability to cast Cruel Ultimatum for free on turn 5 (possibly turn 4) is just a terryfying prospect to me.

    • MagicSpoiler

      Derevi, Empyrial Tactician, Roon of the Hidden Realm and Rubinia Soulsinger.

  • FuzzyKittyBark

    yup, buying them all

  • lalo

    Esper Grixis, or Bant? I like to plain wreck an opponent with lots of fun.

  • GRIXIS ROCKS

    Getting grixis. Jeleva and Thraximundar in the same deck is terrifying.

  • mupp

    Getting Esper, Grixis, and Bant. These decks are amazing, I hope there’s a nice sale for all 5.